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	<title>Comments on: Tripping On Good Vibrations: Cultural Commodification and Tibetan Singing Bowls</title>
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		<title>By: Craig Shankster</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Craig Shankster]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2015 22:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for a wonderful article; the content will of course upset many Sound Healers that perpetuate the &quot;Tibetan&quot; myth you so succinctly describe. One area of myth you didn&#039;t touch upon was the myth of the seven/twelve precious metals that these mystical bowls are supposedly made from; nowhere has this been demonstrated as being true. Indeed research regarding metallurgical ritual/statuary from the himalayas indicates that Bronze was/is the most common alloy used (Dr Erberto  Lo Bue - Statuary Metals in Tibet and the Himalayas - 1991). As Mitch has said many times in the past, the secrecy behind the singing bowl myth is good for branding.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for a wonderful article; the content will of course upset many Sound Healers that perpetuate the &#8220;Tibetan&#8221; myth you so succinctly describe. One area of myth you didn&#8217;t touch upon was the myth of the seven/twelve precious metals that these mystical bowls are supposedly made from; nowhere has this been demonstrated as being true. Indeed research regarding metallurgical ritual/statuary from the himalayas indicates that Bronze was/is the most common alloy used (Dr Erberto  Lo Bue &#8211; Statuary Metals in Tibet and the Himalayas &#8211; 1991). As Mitch has said many times in the past, the secrecy behind the singing bowl myth is good for branding.</p>
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		<title>By: papernoise</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2015 19:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great article, as somebody who works with sound a lot I&#039;ve always wondered about those bowls! I was especially intrigued by you mentioning the pizza analogy, I&#039;m Italian and like to bake pizza from time to time, so this of course strikes me directly :) Do you have any sources, where I could read more about it? It seems to be rather difficult to find proper info on the history of pizza since most of what I can find on-line is pointless marketing talk. 
Btw. if I may be the smarty pants of the occasion, afaik nobody puts rosemary on pizza in Italy (except on very special variants), what you&#039;re referring to might be the so called &quot;focaccia al rosmarino&quot;, which is a very similar recipe, but it&#039;s rather thick and without tomatoes and cheese. Or maybe you meant basil, or oregano, which are found on most pizza variations here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article, as somebody who works with sound a lot I&#8217;ve always wondered about those bowls! I was especially intrigued by you mentioning the pizza analogy, I&#8217;m Italian and like to bake pizza from time to time, so this of course strikes me directly 🙂 Do you have any sources, where I could read more about it? It seems to be rather difficult to find proper info on the history of pizza since most of what I can find on-line is pointless marketing talk.<br />
Btw. if I may be the smarty pants of the occasion, afaik nobody puts rosemary on pizza in Italy (except on very special variants), what you&#8217;re referring to might be the so called &#8220;focaccia al rosmarino&#8221;, which is a very similar recipe, but it&#8217;s rather thick and without tomatoes and cheese. Or maybe you meant basil, or oregano, which are found on most pizza variations here.</p>
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		<title>By: Detritus 369 &#124; Music of Sound</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Detritus 369 &#124; Music of Sound]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2015 02:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] &#8220;much of what is told about the Bowls is false, and the authentic history and uses are far more interesting than all this New Age mumbo [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] &#8220;much of what is told about the Bowls is false, and the authentic history and uses are far more interesting than all this New Age mumbo [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Joffe</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ben Joffe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2015 02:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For sure!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For sure!</p>
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		<title>By: Anita Munman, PhD</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anita Munman, PhD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2015 02:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Ben, thank you so much for your thoughtful response. I do see your points, and agree that the interview presented more questions than it did answers, which makes it all the more intriguing to me. It would be interesting to hear from Rain Gray on this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ben, thank you so much for your thoughtful response. I do see your points, and agree that the interview presented more questions than it did answers, which makes it all the more intriguing to me. It would be interesting to hear from Rain Gray on this.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Joffe</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ben Joffe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2015 01:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Anita. I am familiar with Gray&#039;s interview and had considered including some comments on it in the piece but ended up deciding not to. I&#039;m with Mitch - the interview strikes me as deeply flawed and misleading. Gray has not found a Tibetan who has finally proven that singing bowls as he understands them existed in pre-occupation Tibet, he&#039;s merely found a Tibetan informant whose translated words he is able to position as evidence. Many of Lama Lobsang Leshe&#039;s statements sound confusing and unlikely to me, and even taken by themselves as they stand I&#039;m not convinced that anything in the lama&#039;s comments definitively points to the existence of singing bowls anyway. Here are some quick notes I wrote about it that didn&#039;t make it into the final draft:

&quot;Singing bowl enthusiast Rain Gray shared an interview with an elderly Tibetan monk in 1989 which he claims finally proves that Tibetans DID use and know about singing bowls. The interview transcript is a fascinating (and frustrating) exercise in miscommunication and confirmation bias. Interviewing his informant Lama Lobsang Leshe through another refugee monk with limited English, it&#039;s clear that Gray has already decided a priori that singing bowls existed in Tibet and were used as musical, mystical instruments. Gray&#039;s monk informant from Drepung monastery in Tibet appears to be talking about various bowl-shaped relics, bowl manufacturing centers, and eating and offering bowls possessed by monks at his monastery, and later on, Buddhist ideas about the nature of sound and emptiness as mentioned above, but Gray interprets these statements within his existing framework. Gray assumes most of the time that when his informant is talking about a bowl, he is talking about the &#039;singing bowl&#039; with which he is concerned, a problem no doubt compounded by his translator, who seems to use &#039;singing bowl&#039; quite loosely to translate the older monk&#039;s statements, considering that no specific equivalent term for &#039;singing bowl&#039; exists in Tibetan.&quot;

One thing that&#039;s useful about Gray&#039;s interview is that it touches on metal bowl manufacturing practices in general in pre-1950&#039;s Tibet, and brings up the question of bowl relics. Throughout the Buddhist world, various legendary histories and elaborations have developed around the nature and fate of the Buddha&#039;s begging bowl, all of which is interesting to look at as part of more general ideas about religion and materiality, sacred  objects, and oral history. I&#039;m not sure that these histories relate directly to the history of New Age singing bowls, however.

Thanks again, Mitch. I too look forward to reading more about your research on Bönpo sound healing practices!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Anita. I am familiar with Gray&#8217;s interview and had considered including some comments on it in the piece but ended up deciding not to. I&#8217;m with Mitch &#8211; the interview strikes me as deeply flawed and misleading. Gray has not found a Tibetan who has finally proven that singing bowls as he understands them existed in pre-occupation Tibet, he&#8217;s merely found a Tibetan informant whose translated words he is able to position as evidence. Many of Lama Lobsang Leshe&#8217;s statements sound confusing and unlikely to me, and even taken by themselves as they stand I&#8217;m not convinced that anything in the lama&#8217;s comments definitively points to the existence of singing bowls anyway. Here are some quick notes I wrote about it that didn&#8217;t make it into the final draft:</p>
<p>&#8220;Singing bowl enthusiast Rain Gray shared an interview with an elderly Tibetan monk in 1989 which he claims finally proves that Tibetans DID use and know about singing bowls. The interview transcript is a fascinating (and frustrating) exercise in miscommunication and confirmation bias. Interviewing his informant Lama Lobsang Leshe through another refugee monk with limited English, it&#8217;s clear that Gray has already decided a priori that singing bowls existed in Tibet and were used as musical, mystical instruments. Gray&#8217;s monk informant from Drepung monastery in Tibet appears to be talking about various bowl-shaped relics, bowl manufacturing centers, and eating and offering bowls possessed by monks at his monastery, and later on, Buddhist ideas about the nature of sound and emptiness as mentioned above, but Gray interprets these statements within his existing framework. Gray assumes most of the time that when his informant is talking about a bowl, he is talking about the &#8216;singing bowl&#8217; with which he is concerned, a problem no doubt compounded by his translator, who seems to use &#8216;singing bowl&#8217; quite loosely to translate the older monk&#8217;s statements, considering that no specific equivalent term for &#8216;singing bowl&#8217; exists in Tibetan.&#8221;</p>
<p>One thing that&#8217;s useful about Gray&#8217;s interview is that it touches on metal bowl manufacturing practices in general in pre-1950&#8217;s Tibet, and brings up the question of bowl relics. Throughout the Buddhist world, various legendary histories and elaborations have developed around the nature and fate of the Buddha&#8217;s begging bowl, all of which is interesting to look at as part of more general ideas about religion and materiality, sacred  objects, and oral history. I&#8217;m not sure that these histories relate directly to the history of New Age singing bowls, however.</p>
<p>Thanks again, Mitch. I too look forward to reading more about your research on Bönpo sound healing practices!</p>
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		<title>By: Anita Munman, PhD</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anita Munman, PhD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2015 01:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Mitch, thanks for sharing your thoughts on this. Very interesting. I will be looking forward to hearing about your translation of that Bonpo text!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mitch, thanks for sharing your thoughts on this. Very interesting. I will be looking forward to hearing about your translation of that Bonpo text!</p>
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		<title>By: Mitch Nur, PhD</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mitch Nur, PhD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2015 19:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t believe the article to be entirely accurate. My sources in Nepal say it&#039;s made up in order to sell bowls. I&#039;ve interviewed over 100 Tibetan Lamas from the various Buddhist traditions and nothing supports that interview. I have found among the Bonpo&#039;s that they used them in a small way, based around the medical texts. There is a Bonpo text written a very long time ago, predating Buddhism in Tibet that references the subtle and wrathful sounds, and how to use them, which I hope to translate over this coming Winter. And I have witnessed a Bonpo Lama using a Singing Bowl many times to heal an injury. A very long time ago I interviewed some monks and Lamas from Drepung, the source for Rain Gray. They said they never saw a Singing Bowl at Drepung. I found that interesting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t believe the article to be entirely accurate. My sources in Nepal say it&#8217;s made up in order to sell bowls. I&#8217;ve interviewed over 100 Tibetan Lamas from the various Buddhist traditions and nothing supports that interview. I have found among the Bonpo&#8217;s that they used them in a small way, based around the medical texts. There is a Bonpo text written a very long time ago, predating Buddhism in Tibet that references the subtle and wrathful sounds, and how to use them, which I hope to translate over this coming Winter. And I have witnessed a Bonpo Lama using a Singing Bowl many times to heal an injury. A very long time ago I interviewed some monks and Lamas from Drepung, the source for Rain Gray. They said they never saw a Singing Bowl at Drepung. I found that interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Anita Munman, PhD</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anita Munman, PhD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2015 15:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Ben, I thoroughly enjoyed your essay. Thanks for bringing the full story together so succinctly, and in such a good-humored way. And BTW. . .I loved the pizza analogy! :-)  I am curious to know if you are familiar with Rain Gray&#039;s 1989 interview with Lama Lobsang Leshe.   http://www.isingingbowls.com/tibetan-singing-bowl-history/  It would seem to be important evidence of the use of temple bowls in Tibetan religious ritual. What is your opinion on that?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ben, I thoroughly enjoyed your essay. Thanks for bringing the full story together so succinctly, and in such a good-humored way. And BTW. . .I loved the pizza analogy! 🙂  I am curious to know if you are familiar with Rain Gray&#8217;s 1989 interview with Lama Lobsang Leshe.   <a href="http://www.isingingbowls.com/tibetan-singing-bowl-history/" rel="nofollow">http://www.isingingbowls.com/tibetan-singing-bowl-history/</a>  It would seem to be important evidence of the use of temple bowls in Tibetan religious ritual. What is your opinion on that?</p>
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		<title>By: [LINK] &#8220;Tripping On Good Vibrations: Cultural Commodification and Tibetan Singing Bowls&#8221; &#124; A Bit More Detail</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[[LINK] &#8220;Tripping On Good Vibrations: Cultural Commodification and Tibetan Singing Bowls&#8221; &#124; A Bit More Detail]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2015 17:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] Ben Joffe has an interesting post at Savage Minds about Tibetan singing bowls. Positioned to a largely Western audience as meditation [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Ben Joffe has an interesting post at Savage Minds about Tibetan singing bowls. Positioned to a largely Western audience as meditation [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Joffe</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ben Joffe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2015 12:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Absolutely! They are excellent resources, and are both mentioned in the piece.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely! They are excellent resources, and are both mentioned in the piece.</p>
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		<title>By: Mitch Nur, PhD</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mitch Nur, PhD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2015 12:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Howdy Ben, thank you for the followup and crediting the image properly which you have permission to use. I would like to point readers to a wonderful book written by Martin Brauen entitled &#039;Dreamworld Tibet: Western Illusions&quot; and also to &quot;TIBET CHIC&quot;: MYTH, MARKETING, SPIRITUALITY AND POLITICS IN MUSICAL REPRESENTATIONS OF TIBET IN THE UNITED STATES&quot; by Darindra Congdon, Doctoral Dissertation, University of Pittsburgh.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Howdy Ben, thank you for the followup and crediting the image properly which you have permission to use. I would like to point readers to a wonderful book written by Martin Brauen entitled &#8216;Dreamworld Tibet: Western Illusions&#8221; and also to &#8220;TIBET CHIC&#8221;: MYTH, MARKETING, SPIRITUALITY AND POLITICS IN MUSICAL REPRESENTATIONS OF TIBET IN THE UNITED STATES&#8221; by Darindra Congdon, Doctoral Dissertation, University of Pittsburgh.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Joffe</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ben Joffe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2015 00:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for your comments, Mitch! It definitely seems a lot of ideas about ting shag and gshang have been displaced onto the bowls. Please let me know if you would like me to remove your gshang picture. I have added your name and copyright information into the caption.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comments, Mitch! It definitely seems a lot of ideas about ting shag and gshang have been displaced onto the bowls. Please let me know if you would like me to remove your gshang picture. I have added your name and copyright information into the caption.</p>
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		<title>By: Mitch Nur, PhD</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mitch Nur, PhD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2015 21:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fascinating &#039;story&#039; and food for thought for those not in the know. The original recording engineers for the Hennings and Wolff recordings came clean and said they manipulated the recordings, so we can toss out &#039;unaltered&#039; from this mix. 99% of what is said about &#039;Tibetan Singing Bowls&#039; is basically myth or a selling tactic. Having research them for over 4 decades and led numerous &#039;field studies&#039; in the Himalayas on them, the &#039;Angry Tibetan Girl&#039; is the most factual. To associate the Bowls with the Tibatans is a great mis-service and is unjustified. It appears through my research that they originated south of the Himalayas. But, metal resonant bowls could have been made in Kham where some of the world&#039;s finest Tingshas originated. Lamas who claim to be using them from some ancient tradition is nonsense just like many of the Nepalese who make the same claims like the fakir at the Monkey Temple in Kathmandu. And just for the record, your using my copyrighted image of the Bonpo Shang without permission. My good friend Frank Perry has mentioned that there is this long history throughout many cultures regarding sound, which makes marketing Bowls to buyers a snap of the finger. But buyers need to beware that much of what is told about the Bowls is false, and the authentic history and uses are far more interesting than all this New Age mumbo Gumbo.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating &#8216;story&#8217; and food for thought for those not in the know. The original recording engineers for the Hennings and Wolff recordings came clean and said they manipulated the recordings, so we can toss out &#8216;unaltered&#8217; from this mix. 99% of what is said about &#8216;Tibetan Singing Bowls&#8217; is basically myth or a selling tactic. Having research them for over 4 decades and led numerous &#8216;field studies&#8217; in the Himalayas on them, the &#8216;Angry Tibetan Girl&#8217; is the most factual. To associate the Bowls with the Tibatans is a great mis-service and is unjustified. It appears through my research that they originated south of the Himalayas. But, metal resonant bowls could have been made in Kham where some of the world&#8217;s finest Tingshas originated. Lamas who claim to be using them from some ancient tradition is nonsense just like many of the Nepalese who make the same claims like the fakir at the Monkey Temple in Kathmandu. And just for the record, your using my copyrighted image of the Bonpo Shang without permission. My good friend Frank Perry has mentioned that there is this long history throughout many cultures regarding sound, which makes marketing Bowls to buyers a snap of the finger. But buyers need to beware that much of what is told about the Bowls is false, and the authentic history and uses are far more interesting than all this New Age mumbo Gumbo.</p>
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