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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2015 00:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] Minds examines a new book on the Bougainville conflict, looks at racism in Baltimore, and reacts to the earthquake [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Minds examines a new book on the Bougainville conflict, looks at racism in Baltimore, and reacts to the earthquake [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: jlmccreery</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2015 07:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;played the role of France&quot; should be &quot;played the role of France in the Revolution.&quot; It was the French fleet that sealed the deal at Yorktown.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;played the role of France&#8221; should be &#8220;played the role of France in the Revolution.&#8221; It was the French fleet that sealed the deal at Yorktown.</p>
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		<title>By: jlmccreery</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2015 07:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have just read the first piece that Kristian recommends, &quot;Winning Hearts and Mines.&quot; The description of events is clear and readable, the history being described is a horrible one. Analytically speaking, however, I was instantly reminded of Gregory Bateson&#039;s schizmogenesis, with repeated breakdowns in negotiations and both sides finally convinced that organized violence was the only way to achieve their aims. At that point, military superiority determined the outcome. On a more personal note, as someone who grew up in Virginia and was immersed in the history and folk lore of the American Revolution and the War Between the States (the Civil War, as the damned Yankees referred to it), I found what I read depressingly familiar. One wonders what would have happened if Australia had played the role of France during. I sympathize with the members of the BRA who fought for what they believed was a just cause. I wonder how many of their children will wind up like the guys with gun racks and Confederate flags on their pickup trucks who still play a prominent role in Southern and US politics. I wonder if &quot;state terrorism&quot; is sufficient to explain all this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have just read the first piece that Kristian recommends, &#8220;Winning Hearts and Mines.&#8221; The description of events is clear and readable, the history being described is a horrible one. Analytically speaking, however, I was instantly reminded of Gregory Bateson&#8217;s schizmogenesis, with repeated breakdowns in negotiations and both sides finally convinced that organized violence was the only way to achieve their aims. At that point, military superiority determined the outcome. On a more personal note, as someone who grew up in Virginia and was immersed in the history and folk lore of the American Revolution and the War Between the States (the Civil War, as the damned Yankees referred to it), I found what I read depressingly familiar. One wonders what would have happened if Australia had played the role of France during. I sympathize with the members of the BRA who fought for what they believed was a just cause. I wonder how many of their children will wind up like the guys with gun racks and Confederate flags on their pickup trucks who still play a prominent role in Southern and US politics. I wonder if &#8220;state terrorism&#8221; is sufficient to explain all this.</p>
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		<title>By: johnmccreery</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2015 12:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks to you both.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to you both.</p>
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		<title>By: Rex</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2015 05:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kristian, thanks for that -- hopefully we&#039;ll connect down the road... when it is not so near to end of term for us here in Hawai‘i...!

Just wanted to pop in to recommend to John the excellent movie Mr. Pip, which is available on Netflix (at least in the US).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kristian, thanks for that &#8212; hopefully we&#8217;ll connect down the road&#8230; when it is not so near to end of term for us here in Hawai‘i&#8230;!</p>
<p>Just wanted to pop in to recommend to John the excellent movie Mr. Pip, which is available on Netflix (at least in the US).</p>
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		<title>By: Kristian Lasslett</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kristian Lasslett]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2015 19:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[John, here are some resources that might be helpful -

A short piece for Open Democracy: https://www.opendemocracy.net/kristian-lasslett/fog-of-peace-postconflict-environments-as-sites-of-impunity-denial-and-dispossessi

A short summary chapter: http://statecrime.org/data/2011/10/winning_hearts_and_mines.pdf

A multi-media presentation on the conflict, it allows you to duck into some of the primary sources: http://www.statecrime.org/testimonyproject/bougainville

And an extended interview with ABC looking at Australia&#039;s role in the conflict: http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/latenightlive/bougainville3a-the-forgotten-war/6280408]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, here are some resources that might be helpful &#8211;</p>
<p>A short piece for Open Democracy: <a href="https://www.opendemocracy.net/kristian-lasslett/fog-of-peace-postconflict-environments-as-sites-of-impunity-denial-and-dispossessi" rel="nofollow">https://www.opendemocracy.net/kristian-lasslett/fog-of-peace-postconflict-environments-as-sites-of-impunity-denial-and-dispossessi</a></p>
<p>A short summary chapter: <a href="http://statecrime.org/data/2011/10/winning_hearts_and_mines.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://statecrime.org/data/2011/10/winning_hearts_and_mines.pdf</a></p>
<p>A multi-media presentation on the conflict, it allows you to duck into some of the primary sources: <a href="http://www.statecrime.org/testimonyproject/bougainville" rel="nofollow">http://www.statecrime.org/testimonyproject/bougainville</a></p>
<p>And an extended interview with ABC looking at Australia&#8217;s role in the conflict: <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/latenightlive/bougainville3a-the-forgotten-war/6280408" rel="nofollow">http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/latenightlive/bougainville3a-the-forgotten-war/6280408</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kristian Lasslett</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kristian Lasslett]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2015 12:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you Alex for such a thoughtful and deep engagement with my book. I wont lie, the praise meant a lot coming from a anthropologist with rich Pacific experience, it is always the most nerve racking when those with a patient anthropologist eye for detail, examine your work; so to come out with a good report card is gratifying.

I think the constructive feedback you have made is spot on. On the theoretical front, there is a lot of scope for different theoretical lens, each of which can bring out it different nuances. Certainly of late, I have benefited enormously from engaging with the literature inspired by Linda Tuhiwai-Smith, which in my view opens up new ways of researching and thinking about the conflict and the deeper currents it was part of. Also the seriously under recognised work of Tinputz scholar, Ruth Soavana, is intriguing, and offers a lot of valuable insights into the how and why of resistance to extractive industries on Bougainville, drawing on local ontologies and epistemologies.

I agree also, popular histories are really important, especially on Bougainville where there is a strong demand for histories that can contribute to a local process of reorientation, which is becoming increasingly contested as strong forces attempt to steward in a range of policies that incentivise inward investment in palm-oil, forestry and mining, including of the deep sea variety.

One lacuna, that has become increasingly apparent through my work with Jubilee Australia, is the way in which local voices in the mine affected communities have been suppressed. Quite often, if they do appear, its paraphrased by experts whose own credentials of speaking for these communities is not always clearly established (there are some really honourable exceptions). Worse still, is when the complex conversations going on in the Panguna region, are ignored and misrepresented through political catch-phrases looking to ease the way for policies that are more contentious than what their backers would like to think.

Indeed, if there is a hidden history behind the Rio Tinto-Australian government-PNG government nexus, there is an equally hidden history within Nasioi communities (and I am sure that is replicated across Bougainville, in different unique ways); but unlike the former organisational actors who have been active in hiding their history for reasons pointed to in the book, for mine-affected communities, they are ready to tell their stories, if ears were willing. From the empirical research I have been involved in so many within the mine affected communities talk of profound inner turmoil, or trauma, sparked by dislocation of local histories by the seismic forces of colonialism, industrial mining capital, and the rapid changes - and associated antagonisms - the latter generated. There is also such rich local conceptualisations of this process, which have emerged through local dialogue and debate. I hope one day these complex histories and organic theory become more widely known. They need to be.

And that connects back to the book. As you rightly note, it can&#039;t be pressed home enough, the importance of listening carefully to the voices of those whose history we attempt to understand and write about. Over the course of my research, my own interpretations were challenged and changed, as I listened to the considered reflections of Papua New Guinea leaders from the period, including PNGDF officers. Similarly, the reflections of Australian government and corporate officials were full of nuance, complexity, self-reflection and anxiety. They really told a story I wasn&#039;t expecting, and for a period I was disoriented, but following careful reflection graspable threads emerged. The same attention to voice and story, now needs to be given to local histories, which are just as rich, and full of unexpected plots.

Congratulations on your own recent book Alex, what a fascinating topic! I have just ordered a copy, and will read it with great interest over the summer!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Alex for such a thoughtful and deep engagement with my book. I wont lie, the praise meant a lot coming from a anthropologist with rich Pacific experience, it is always the most nerve racking when those with a patient anthropologist eye for detail, examine your work; so to come out with a good report card is gratifying.</p>
<p>I think the constructive feedback you have made is spot on. On the theoretical front, there is a lot of scope for different theoretical lens, each of which can bring out it different nuances. Certainly of late, I have benefited enormously from engaging with the literature inspired by Linda Tuhiwai-Smith, which in my view opens up new ways of researching and thinking about the conflict and the deeper currents it was part of. Also the seriously under recognised work of Tinputz scholar, Ruth Soavana, is intriguing, and offers a lot of valuable insights into the how and why of resistance to extractive industries on Bougainville, drawing on local ontologies and epistemologies.</p>
<p>I agree also, popular histories are really important, especially on Bougainville where there is a strong demand for histories that can contribute to a local process of reorientation, which is becoming increasingly contested as strong forces attempt to steward in a range of policies that incentivise inward investment in palm-oil, forestry and mining, including of the deep sea variety.</p>
<p>One lacuna, that has become increasingly apparent through my work with Jubilee Australia, is the way in which local voices in the mine affected communities have been suppressed. Quite often, if they do appear, its paraphrased by experts whose own credentials of speaking for these communities is not always clearly established (there are some really honourable exceptions). Worse still, is when the complex conversations going on in the Panguna region, are ignored and misrepresented through political catch-phrases looking to ease the way for policies that are more contentious than what their backers would like to think.</p>
<p>Indeed, if there is a hidden history behind the Rio Tinto-Australian government-PNG government nexus, there is an equally hidden history within Nasioi communities (and I am sure that is replicated across Bougainville, in different unique ways); but unlike the former organisational actors who have been active in hiding their history for reasons pointed to in the book, for mine-affected communities, they are ready to tell their stories, if ears were willing. From the empirical research I have been involved in so many within the mine affected communities talk of profound inner turmoil, or trauma, sparked by dislocation of local histories by the seismic forces of colonialism, industrial mining capital, and the rapid changes &#8211; and associated antagonisms &#8211; the latter generated. There is also such rich local conceptualisations of this process, which have emerged through local dialogue and debate. I hope one day these complex histories and organic theory become more widely known. They need to be.</p>
<p>And that connects back to the book. As you rightly note, it can&#8217;t be pressed home enough, the importance of listening carefully to the voices of those whose history we attempt to understand and write about. Over the course of my research, my own interpretations were challenged and changed, as I listened to the considered reflections of Papua New Guinea leaders from the period, including PNGDF officers. Similarly, the reflections of Australian government and corporate officials were full of nuance, complexity, self-reflection and anxiety. They really told a story I wasn&#8217;t expecting, and for a period I was disoriented, but following careful reflection graspable threads emerged. The same attention to voice and story, now needs to be given to local histories, which are just as rich, and full of unexpected plots.</p>
<p>Congratulations on your own recent book Alex, what a fascinating topic! I have just ordered a copy, and will read it with great interest over the summer!!</p>
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		<title>By: johnmccreery</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2015 13:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;You must really be interested in reading about what happened on Bougainville, week by week to enjoy the volume. And — I can’t really tell at this point — I think you already have to be an expert on PNG history to tune in to the story.&lt;/i&gt;

Is there a book or small set of other materials that you would recommend to someone who will never be an expert but would like to be a knowledgeable reader?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>You must really be interested in reading about what happened on Bougainville, week by week to enjoy the volume. And — I can’t really tell at this point — I think you already have to be an expert on PNG history to tune in to the story.</i></p>
<p>Is there a book or small set of other materials that you would recommend to someone who will never be an expert but would like to be a knowledgeable reader?</p>
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