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		<title>By: Sustainability is everything–and nothing &#124; What can you do with anthropology?</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2015 05:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2015 02:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kate: &quot;I quickly found that sustainability, which encompasses a wide range of ecological concepts, is vague enough to be used in quite different political contexts.&quot;  Ya I think I basically stumbled upon the same thing, Kate, although I never intended to focus on sustainability.  It was something that came up so often that I had to pay attention.  Thanks for sharing some of your experiences--more evidence of just how much the term can be stretched to fit various political agendas.  What I find most interesting that people know this is going on, and they still stick with the concept even though it might also being used by the &quot;other side.&quot;

Jeff: Ya, I think terms can lose meaning in a sense...but they can also take on other/new meanings, even though they might be contradictory to earlier definitions.  Maybe this is where the social conflicts arise--or maybe the term itself is the social battleground, or a proxy for it, or something.  In the case of developers, I tend to take a somewhat jaded view that many people use the term not because they are all that concerned with the core meanings of the term, but instead because it has purchase and marketing power.  But the term has no less meaning, really, just different meanings with different intentions and agendas behind it.  The term &quot;development&quot; has similar issues.  I have always found it fascinating how these kinds of terms can carry so many meanings--often so different--and still be used un-ironically by so many people.

John: There was actually a bit of a debate about using the term sustainability at one of the community meetings I attended.  I should write something about this.  One member of this meeting proposed a different concept--what he called &quot;regenerative design&quot;--instead of sustainable development (which he saw as passive and static).  The new concept held sway for about two days, but was then almost completely dropped from the conversation.  It vanished, and sustainability/sustainable development continued to dominate.  Even then, the meanings that many people attached to the concept often expanded beyond many of the more official definitions.  At certain points it was used as if it was a sort of panacea to everything that had gone wrong with development on the other side of the cape (Los Cabos.)

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kate: &#8220;I quickly found that sustainability, which encompasses a wide range of ecological concepts, is vague enough to be used in quite different political contexts.&#8221;  Ya I think I basically stumbled upon the same thing, Kate, although I never intended to focus on sustainability.  It was something that came up so often that I had to pay attention.  Thanks for sharing some of your experiences&#8211;more evidence of just how much the term can be stretched to fit various political agendas.  What I find most interesting that people know this is going on, and they still stick with the concept even though it might also being used by the &#8220;other side.&#8221;</p>
<p>Jeff: Ya, I think terms can lose meaning in a sense&#8230;but they can also take on other/new meanings, even though they might be contradictory to earlier definitions.  Maybe this is where the social conflicts arise&#8211;or maybe the term itself is the social battleground, or a proxy for it, or something.  In the case of developers, I tend to take a somewhat jaded view that many people use the term not because they are all that concerned with the core meanings of the term, but instead because it has purchase and marketing power.  But the term has no less meaning, really, just different meanings with different intentions and agendas behind it.  The term &#8220;development&#8221; has similar issues.  I have always found it fascinating how these kinds of terms can carry so many meanings&#8211;often so different&#8211;and still be used un-ironically by so many people.</p>
<p>John: There was actually a bit of a debate about using the term sustainability at one of the community meetings I attended.  I should write something about this.  One member of this meeting proposed a different concept&#8211;what he called &#8220;regenerative design&#8221;&#8211;instead of sustainable development (which he saw as passive and static).  The new concept held sway for about two days, but was then almost completely dropped from the conversation.  It vanished, and sustainability/sustainable development continued to dominate.  Even then, the meanings that many people attached to the concept often expanded beyond many of the more official definitions.  At certain points it was used as if it was a sort of panacea to everything that had gone wrong with development on the other side of the cape (Los Cabos.)</p>
<p>Anyway, thanks for the comments folks.</p>
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		<title>By: johnmccreery</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2015 07:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Sustainability&quot; implies at most resilience, the ability to return to a prior state following damage or environmental challenge. Nassim Nathan Taleb has challenged the sufficiency of this goal in his book &lt;i&gt;Antifragile&lt;/i&gt;, arguing that, in order to endure and adapt to changing circumstances, systems require the ability to become stronger by overcoming challenges. Adaptation to a niche is a death sentence in a world where niches may rapidly disappear. Kate Gillogly&#039;s remarks about the Thai King&#039;s Sufficiency Economy are also relevant here. Should sustainability mean that the children of, say, Amazonian tribes or South Asian peasants should aspire to no better lives than the ones that their ancestors enjoyed in some imagined past?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Sustainability&#8221; implies at most resilience, the ability to return to a prior state following damage or environmental challenge. Nassim Nathan Taleb has challenged the sufficiency of this goal in his book <i>Antifragile</i>, arguing that, in order to endure and adapt to changing circumstances, systems require the ability to become stronger by overcoming challenges. Adaptation to a niche is a death sentence in a world where niches may rapidly disappear. Kate Gillogly&#8217;s remarks about the Thai King&#8217;s Sufficiency Economy are also relevant here. Should sustainability mean that the children of, say, Amazonian tribes or South Asian peasants should aspire to no better lives than the ones that their ancestors enjoyed in some imagined past?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey Greger</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2015 23:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for this Ryan. I have seen the term sustainability alternately as an organizing principle for understanding my own ideas of justice, and the cloak behind which contemporary technocratic development hides its short-sighted intentions. This reminds me a bit of how terms like &quot;ethnography&quot; and &quot;empathy&quot; are bandied about out here in Silicon Valley, loosing much of their meaning as they become embedded into the business parlance.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this Ryan. I have seen the term sustainability alternately as an organizing principle for understanding my own ideas of justice, and the cloak behind which contemporary technocratic development hides its short-sighted intentions. This reminds me a bit of how terms like &#8220;ethnography&#8221; and &#8220;empathy&#8221; are bandied about out here in Silicon Valley, loosing much of their meaning as they become embedded into the business parlance.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate Gillogly</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kate Gillogly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2015 17:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is fascinating. I recently wrote a chapter for a book on sustainability in Asia. Mine was on Thailand. I quickly found that sustainability, which encompasses a wide range of ecological concepts, is vague enough to be used in quite different political contexts. In Thailand, sustainability is interpreted in a Buddhist context, but again that differs depending on the politics of the users. On the one hand, there is the King&#039;s Sufficiency Economy Philosophy, which advocates that people not desire more than they have and live within their means. As Dan Unger put it, it&#039;s a kind of citizenship. Do not spend, save. It is, in addition, a statement from the richest monarch on earth (the King) that rural people should not demand a place in the economic booms of the 1990s.  The Sufficiency Economy Philosophy has now been built into the nation&#039;s 5 year plans.  There are projects supporting organic agriculture, with no recognition of how deeply imbricated farmers (and the national economy) are into the global export economy.  On the other hand, there&#039;s the more left-wing perspective that teaches that nature gives us what we need and that anyone, including the rich, who mis-uses that environment with overuse of resources is creating a non-Buddhist world.  This, then, includes the rich and those who alienate the land of rural farmers for national export activities such as eucalyptus and pine plantations.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is fascinating. I recently wrote a chapter for a book on sustainability in Asia. Mine was on Thailand. I quickly found that sustainability, which encompasses a wide range of ecological concepts, is vague enough to be used in quite different political contexts. In Thailand, sustainability is interpreted in a Buddhist context, but again that differs depending on the politics of the users. On the one hand, there is the King&#8217;s Sufficiency Economy Philosophy, which advocates that people not desire more than they have and live within their means. As Dan Unger put it, it&#8217;s a kind of citizenship. Do not spend, save. It is, in addition, a statement from the richest monarch on earth (the King) that rural people should not demand a place in the economic booms of the 1990s.  The Sufficiency Economy Philosophy has now been built into the nation&#8217;s 5 year plans.  There are projects supporting organic agriculture, with no recognition of how deeply imbricated farmers (and the national economy) are into the global export economy.  On the other hand, there&#8217;s the more left-wing perspective that teaches that nature gives us what we need and that anyone, including the rich, who mis-uses that environment with overuse of resources is creating a non-Buddhist world.  This, then, includes the rich and those who alienate the land of rural farmers for national export activities such as eucalyptus and pine plantations.</p>
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