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		<title>By: docgee</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2014 03:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pat Savage: &quot;As Fuentes points out, Wade’s argument has two components: that meaningful genetic differences between regions exist, and that these differences are responsible for some important regional differences in intelligence and behaviour.&quot;

Meaningful genetic differences do indeed exist. And if Wade had left it at that then it would be possible to take some of his other proposals more seriously. But Wade insists that meaningful genetic differences define races, and this is simply absurd. As for the rest, yes, in principle, it&#039;s possible that &quot;genetic differences are responsible for some important regional differences in intelligence and behaviour.&quot;  And of course it&#039;s always interesting to speculate. However, there is no real evidence to support most of Wade&#039;s speculations, especially the controversial ones. He makes the mistake of confusing correlation with causation and then, despite his insistence that he is &quot;only&quot; speculating, he writes as though any other possible explanations are unlikely. That simply isn&#039;t true. Also the fact that so many of his theores are so blatantly provocative makes his book irresponsible, if not out and out racist.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat Savage: &#8220;As Fuentes points out, Wade’s argument has two components: that meaningful genetic differences between regions exist, and that these differences are responsible for some important regional differences in intelligence and behaviour.&#8221;</p>
<p>Meaningful genetic differences do indeed exist. And if Wade had left it at that then it would be possible to take some of his other proposals more seriously. But Wade insists that meaningful genetic differences define races, and this is simply absurd. As for the rest, yes, in principle, it&#8217;s possible that &#8220;genetic differences are responsible for some important regional differences in intelligence and behaviour.&#8221;  And of course it&#8217;s always interesting to speculate. However, there is no real evidence to support most of Wade&#8217;s speculations, especially the controversial ones. He makes the mistake of confusing correlation with causation and then, despite his insistence that he is &#8220;only&#8221; speculating, he writes as though any other possible explanations are unlikely. That simply isn&#8217;t true. Also the fact that so many of his theores are so blatantly provocative makes his book irresponsible, if not out and out racist.</p>
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		<title>By: Pincher Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pincher Martin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2014 15:39:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;The second point [that these genetic &quot;differences are responsible for some important regional differences in intelligence and behavior&quot;] is completely speculative and would have been hard to argue even if there was good evidence for it, which there isn’t, at least not yet.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, it&#039;s not &lt;i&gt;completely&lt;/i&gt; speculative, and many scientists who study evolution make these behavioral arguments all the time for other animal species.  Differences in group IQ, for example, are not just speculative.

In fact, none of Wade&#039;s speculations would&#039;ve been even remotely controversial, scientifically, if he were talking about something other than humans.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The second point [that these genetic &#8220;differences are responsible for some important regional differences in intelligence and behavior&#8221;] is completely speculative and would have been hard to argue even if there was good evidence for it, which there isn’t, at least not yet.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, it&#8217;s not <i>completely</i> speculative, and many scientists who study evolution make these behavioral arguments all the time for other animal species.  Differences in group IQ, for example, are not just speculative.</p>
<p>In fact, none of Wade&#8217;s speculations would&#8217;ve been even remotely controversial, scientifically, if he were talking about something other than humans.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Savage</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2014 11:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As Fuentes points out, Wade&#039;s argument has two components: that meaningful genetic differences between regions exist, and that these differences are responsible for some important regional differences in intelligence and behaviour. The first point is well-supported by recent genetic research, and Wade&#039;s book may have made a positive contribution if he had focused on this point. The second point is completely speculative and would have been hard to argue even if there was good evidence for it, which there isn&#039;t, at least not yet. Fuentes, by claiming that both points were wrong and obsessing about terminology rather than the substance of the ideas, didn&#039;t really help make this any clearer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Fuentes points out, Wade&#8217;s argument has two components: that meaningful genetic differences between regions exist, and that these differences are responsible for some important regional differences in intelligence and behaviour. The first point is well-supported by recent genetic research, and Wade&#8217;s book may have made a positive contribution if he had focused on this point. The second point is completely speculative and would have been hard to argue even if there was good evidence for it, which there isn&#8217;t, at least not yet. Fuentes, by claiming that both points were wrong and obsessing about terminology rather than the substance of the ideas, didn&#8217;t really help make this any clearer.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael E. Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael E. Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2014 20:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I thought Fuentes was particularly ineffective in directly answering and countering Wade&#039;s arguments. His remarks were anthropologically and scientifically correct, but he did not make strong, clear, easily digestible points. For people without training in anthropology or biology, I think Wade came out ahead in this debate, which is too bad.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought Fuentes was particularly ineffective in directly answering and countering Wade&#8217;s arguments. His remarks were anthropologically and scientifically correct, but he did not make strong, clear, easily digestible points. For people without training in anthropology or biology, I think Wade came out ahead in this debate, which is too bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Pincher Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pincher Martin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2014 06:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wouldn&#039;t make too much of this debate.  Wade is a popularizer of scientific ideas.  He&#039;s spent his life reporting on science.  But he&#039;s not a competent debater, and it shows.  He&#039;s also not a scientist, and so when pushed into unfamiliar territory he retreats to well-worn rhetorical paths he has already trod.

What race realism needs is another &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Henry_Huxley&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Darwin&#039;s Bulldog&lt;/a&gt;, a fierce and informed public advocate who knows the subject well and is prepared to meet all comers in the public arena when discussing it.  He probably should be a scientist (like T.H. Huxley), but it&#039;s more critical that he is a tireless and effective public advocate - more Chris Hitchens than Carl Sagan, good debating in print as well as on the tube.

Wade is not that fellow.  He has neither the temperament nor the knowledge for that kind of fight.  That doesn&#039;t mean he&#039;s wrong.

None of Fuentes&#039; arguments should&#039;ve caught Wade by surprise.  He should&#039;ve been prepared for them.  But he&#039;s not a public intellectual accustomed to participating in partisan debates.  He&#039;s a journalist and an old man.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t make too much of this debate.  Wade is a popularizer of scientific ideas.  He&#8217;s spent his life reporting on science.  But he&#8217;s not a competent debater, and it shows.  He&#8217;s also not a scientist, and so when pushed into unfamiliar territory he retreats to well-worn rhetorical paths he has already trod.</p>
<p>What race realism needs is another <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Henry_Huxley" rel="nofollow">Darwin&#8217;s Bulldog</a>, a fierce and informed public advocate who knows the subject well and is prepared to meet all comers in the public arena when discussing it.  He probably should be a scientist (like T.H. Huxley), but it&#8217;s more critical that he is a tireless and effective public advocate &#8211; more Chris Hitchens than Carl Sagan, good debating in print as well as on the tube.</p>
<p>Wade is not that fellow.  He has neither the temperament nor the knowledge for that kind of fight.  That doesn&#8217;t mean he&#8217;s wrong.</p>
<p>None of Fuentes&#8217; arguments should&#8217;ve caught Wade by surprise.  He should&#8217;ve been prepared for them.  But he&#8217;s not a public intellectual accustomed to participating in partisan debates.  He&#8217;s a journalist and an old man.</p>
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		<title>By: rob hollander</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rob hollander]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2014 23:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The bickering over &quot;race&quot; seems a red herring. The real question is whether environmentally distinct populations correlate with biological distinctions, and do any of those biologically distinct traits incline towards behavioral differences? Call it &quot;race&quot; or call it &quot;local hereditary group&quot; -- what&#039;s important is whether skills, behaviors, personalities or faculties are included in selection. Also important whether similar environments result in similar evolution. Our understanding of evolution is mostly post hoc and not predictive, but it would be interesting to see just which kinds of environmental pressures produce similar traits and which don&#039;t.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bickering over &#8220;race&#8221; seems a red herring. The real question is whether environmentally distinct populations correlate with biological distinctions, and do any of those biologically distinct traits incline towards behavioral differences? Call it &#8220;race&#8221; or call it &#8220;local hereditary group&#8221; &#8212; what&#8217;s important is whether skills, behaviors, personalities or faculties are included in selection. Also important whether similar environments result in similar evolution. Our understanding of evolution is mostly post hoc and not predictive, but it would be interesting to see just which kinds of environmental pressures produce similar traits and which don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Victor Grauer</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Victor Grauer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2014 19:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I want to supplement what I&#039;ve just written with an assurance that my concession to Wade on this one point should by no means be taken as an endorsement of the many blatantly racist and uncalled for theories he puts forward in his completely unscientific and in fact unscrupulous book. There is absolutely no meaningful evidence to support Wade&#039;s assertions regarding such matters as African genes for violence, Chinese genes for conformity, Jewish genes for success as good capitalists, and European genes for hard work, creativity and economic superiority. While the notion that certain capabilities and behaviors could have a biological component does make some sense, there is as yet no hard evidence to speak of supporting such an hypothesis and there is as yet no reason to assume that they could be entirely due to long standing cultural traditions. The theories offered by Wade go, in any case, well beyond what any reasonable researcher in his right mind would propose.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to supplement what I&#8217;ve just written with an assurance that my concession to Wade on this one point should by no means be taken as an endorsement of the many blatantly racist and uncalled for theories he puts forward in his completely unscientific and in fact unscrupulous book. There is absolutely no meaningful evidence to support Wade&#8217;s assertions regarding such matters as African genes for violence, Chinese genes for conformity, Jewish genes for success as good capitalists, and European genes for hard work, creativity and economic superiority. While the notion that certain capabilities and behaviors could have a biological component does make some sense, there is as yet no hard evidence to speak of supporting such an hypothesis and there is as yet no reason to assume that they could be entirely due to long standing cultural traditions. The theories offered by Wade go, in any case, well beyond what any reasonable researcher in his right mind would propose.</p>
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		<title>By: Victor Grauer</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Victor Grauer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2014 18:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In my book, &quot;Sounding the Depths:Tradition and the Voices of History,&quot; I consider a theory developed by Stephen Oppenheimer and researched by a team led by Michael Petraglia, that posits a major population bottleneck centered in South Asia, due to the explosion of Mt. Toba, circa 74,000 ya. The possibility of such a bottleneck at roughly that time, due to a major disaster of some sort (possibly not related to Toba) is especially intriguing because, in the words of Petraglia&#039;s assistant, Sacha Jones, &quot;Post Toba populations would have reduced in size such that founder effects, genetic drift and local adaptations occurred, resulting in rapid population differentiation (Ambrose 1998). In this way the Toba eruption of ~74 ka would have shaped the diversity that is seen in modern human populations today.&quot;

Contemplating the effects of such an event, I wrote: &quot;Egalitarian values might . . . go by the boards in a situation where the strong can only survive at the expense of the weak. And the weak survive only if protected by someone stronger -- and more aggressive. Once such a situation is established, it&#039;s very easy to see how it could become a self-perpetuating tradition.&quot; Since my focus was on tradition, I neglected to consider the possible evolutionary effects of a situation where those with genetic predispositions to violence and competitiveness might well prevail, to pass on not only their antisocial values, but their antisocial genes to subsequent generations.

Reading these days about Nicholas Wade&#039;s theories regarding what he calls &quot;recent&quot; biological evolution, I must say that, in view of the issues raised in my own book, I can&#039;t deny that he could have a point. What&#039;s most interesting, perhaps, is the difficulty in deciding whether cultural or biological factors are more important in determining the fate of future generations. Until we can isolate specific genes for such behaviors, there will be no way of knowing for sure, I suppose. But the possibility of some sort of biological determinism in this respect does remain. Of course, if some sort of post Out of Africa event triggered adaptations leading to increased violence, that would actually turn Wade&#039;s assumptions regarding an increased propensity to violence on the part of Africans upside down.

I must add, by the way, that NONE of the above has the slightest to do with &quot;race,&quot; no matter how one might want to define it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my book, &#8220;Sounding the Depths:Tradition and the Voices of History,&#8221; I consider a theory developed by Stephen Oppenheimer and researched by a team led by Michael Petraglia, that posits a major population bottleneck centered in South Asia, due to the explosion of Mt. Toba, circa 74,000 ya. The possibility of such a bottleneck at roughly that time, due to a major disaster of some sort (possibly not related to Toba) is especially intriguing because, in the words of Petraglia&#8217;s assistant, Sacha Jones, &#8220;Post Toba populations would have reduced in size such that founder effects, genetic drift and local adaptations occurred, resulting in rapid population differentiation (Ambrose 1998). In this way the Toba eruption of ~74 ka would have shaped the diversity that is seen in modern human populations today.&#8221;</p>
<p>Contemplating the effects of such an event, I wrote: &#8220;Egalitarian values might . . . go by the boards in a situation where the strong can only survive at the expense of the weak. And the weak survive only if protected by someone stronger &#8212; and more aggressive. Once such a situation is established, it&#8217;s very easy to see how it could become a self-perpetuating tradition.&#8221; Since my focus was on tradition, I neglected to consider the possible evolutionary effects of a situation where those with genetic predispositions to violence and competitiveness might well prevail, to pass on not only their antisocial values, but their antisocial genes to subsequent generations.</p>
<p>Reading these days about Nicholas Wade&#8217;s theories regarding what he calls &#8220;recent&#8221; biological evolution, I must say that, in view of the issues raised in my own book, I can&#8217;t deny that he could have a point. What&#8217;s most interesting, perhaps, is the difficulty in deciding whether cultural or biological factors are more important in determining the fate of future generations. Until we can isolate specific genes for such behaviors, there will be no way of knowing for sure, I suppose. But the possibility of some sort of biological determinism in this respect does remain. Of course, if some sort of post Out of Africa event triggered adaptations leading to increased violence, that would actually turn Wade&#8217;s assumptions regarding an increased propensity to violence on the part of Africans upside down.</p>
<p>I must add, by the way, that NONE of the above has the slightest to do with &#8220;race,&#8221; no matter how one might want to define it.</p>
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		<title>By: Rex</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2014 19:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am still not sure what to think about this debate. Sometimes, I think that Wade and Fuentes were talking past each other: to Fuentes, &#039;race&#039; means the idea that human beings can be naturally divided into a small number of discrete groups. To Wade, it seems to mean just the fact that there is meaningful human variation at all, a fact he believes some people are suppressing. Then at other times Wade seems to be making the argument &quot;its just obvious looking around at people that there are just a few races, and we don&#039;t need all this obfuscation about dynamism and complexity&quot;. This last position seems particularly vulnerable to me -- its just not how scientists and scholars think about the world. Or should think about the world, in my opinion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am still not sure what to think about this debate. Sometimes, I think that Wade and Fuentes were talking past each other: to Fuentes, &#8216;race&#8217; means the idea that human beings can be naturally divided into a small number of discrete groups. To Wade, it seems to mean just the fact that there is meaningful human variation at all, a fact he believes some people are suppressing. Then at other times Wade seems to be making the argument &#8220;its just obvious looking around at people that there are just a few races, and we don&#8217;t need all this obfuscation about dynamism and complexity&#8221;. This last position seems particularly vulnerable to me &#8212; its just not how scientists and scholars think about the world. Or should think about the world, in my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Victor Grauer</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Victor Grauer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2014 18:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I listened to the entire podcast. And was particularly disappointed when Wade lost contact just at the moment Fuentes was challenging him to produce a definition of race. Even after he returned to the discussion, he failed to do this.

I seriously wonder whether a definition of race as Wade sees it is really possible. The more technical definitions I&#039;ve seen could just as easily be applied to concepts in population genetics as race, so even if race were biologically meaningful, it would be redundant. In other words we would have nothing more to learn by describing human biodiversity in terms of race than we already do when we describe it in the language of population genetics.

In his Time article, based on the book, Wade presents a brief argument for the biological reality of race that is truly bizarre. Referring initially to &quot;mixed race populations,&quot; he points to the fact that &quot;geneticists can now track along an individual’s genome, and assign each segment to an African or European ancestor, an exercise that would be impossible if race did not have some basis in biological reality.&quot;

This is a blatant non sequitur. No one has ever doubted that every human has ancestors. And the ability to track them is a technological achievement, not a theoretical breakthrough. Yet for Wade the technology seems to be some sort of alchemical formula that transforms ancestry into race. Presto chango!

Wade&#039;s logic is also circular -- he begins by referring to &quot;mixed race&quot; populations, thus anticipating his conclusion at the outset of his argument. Sorry, Nicholas, but it is ancestry that has a basis in biological reality, NOT race. Unless the two are the same, which you forgot to demonstrate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I listened to the entire podcast. And was particularly disappointed when Wade lost contact just at the moment Fuentes was challenging him to produce a definition of race. Even after he returned to the discussion, he failed to do this.</p>
<p>I seriously wonder whether a definition of race as Wade sees it is really possible. The more technical definitions I&#8217;ve seen could just as easily be applied to concepts in population genetics as race, so even if race were biologically meaningful, it would be redundant. In other words we would have nothing more to learn by describing human biodiversity in terms of race than we already do when we describe it in the language of population genetics.</p>
<p>In his Time article, based on the book, Wade presents a brief argument for the biological reality of race that is truly bizarre. Referring initially to &#8220;mixed race populations,&#8221; he points to the fact that &#8220;geneticists can now track along an individual’s genome, and assign each segment to an African or European ancestor, an exercise that would be impossible if race did not have some basis in biological reality.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is a blatant non sequitur. No one has ever doubted that every human has ancestors. And the ability to track them is a technological achievement, not a theoretical breakthrough. Yet for Wade the technology seems to be some sort of alchemical formula that transforms ancestry into race. Presto chango!</p>
<p>Wade&#8217;s logic is also circular &#8212; he begins by referring to &#8220;mixed race&#8221; populations, thus anticipating his conclusion at the outset of his argument. Sorry, Nicholas, but it is ancestry that has a basis in biological reality, NOT race. Unless the two are the same, which you forgot to demonstrate.</p>
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		<title>By: linkfest: A Troublesome Inheritance &#124; hbd* chick</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[linkfest: A Troublesome Inheritance &#124; hbd* chick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2014 00:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Rex</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2014 23:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the point is not that Fuentes believes the world was created in seven days by Jehovah, but that both Fuentes and creationists make the same epistemic move: assume that what you know is true, and explain away all contradictory evidence. Personally I think this is the pot calling the kettle black, and I have no idea if its how creationists behave, but I think that was Wade&#039;s point.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the point is not that Fuentes believes the world was created in seven days by Jehovah, but that both Fuentes and creationists make the same epistemic move: assume that what you know is true, and explain away all contradictory evidence. Personally I think this is the pot calling the kettle black, and I have no idea if its how creationists behave, but I think that was Wade&#8217;s point.</p>
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		<title>By: Chad Nilep</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chad Nilep]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2014 23:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“Race is just a reflection of recent human evolution,” Wade said, “and to deny it puts you in the category of creationism.”

I don&#039;t see how this follows at all. Was Lysenko a Creationist? No, he was a scientist whose theories turned out to be incorrect. If one side of this debate is correct about the science and the other side is wrong, does that mean scholars publishing work on the &quot;wrong&quot; idea are not scientists? This seems less than a half-step removed from ad hominem name calling.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Race is just a reflection of recent human evolution,” Wade said, “and to deny it puts you in the category of creationism.”</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see how this follows at all. Was Lysenko a Creationist? No, he was a scientist whose theories turned out to be incorrect. If one side of this debate is correct about the science and the other side is wrong, does that mean scholars publishing work on the &#8220;wrong&#8221; idea are not scientists? This seems less than a half-step removed from ad hominem name calling.</p>
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		<title>By: Roundup of Book Reviews of Nicholas Wade&#8217;s A Troublesome Inheritance &#124; Occam&#039;s Razor</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roundup of Book Reviews of Nicholas Wade&#8217;s A Troublesome Inheritance &#124; Occam&#039;s Razor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2014 13:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] Rex Golub on “What happened at the Fuentes-Wade Webinar” [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Rex Golub on “What happened at the Fuentes-Wade Webinar” [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: anthrodiva (@anthrodiva)</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2014 12:26:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I always liked Wade and his writing on science for the Times. So it is sad to see him pretending to be a scientist and going down this rabbithole for, what? Political cred with a certain kind of mouthbreather?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always liked Wade and his writing on science for the Times. So it is sad to see him pretending to be a scientist and going down this rabbithole for, what? Political cred with a certain kind of mouthbreather?</p>
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