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		<title>By: Notes on Thoughtfulness in Scholarly Publishing (3): In This, I Support Elsevier &#124; Shreds and Patches</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Notes on Thoughtfulness in Scholarly Publishing (3): In This, I Support Elsevier &#124; Shreds and Patches]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Dec 2013 11:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] Don’t blame Elsevier for exercising the rights you gave them by Alex Golub on Savage Minds. [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Don’t blame Elsevier for exercising the rights you gave them by Alex Golub on Savage Minds. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara Piper</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barbara Piper]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Dec 2013 12:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Duncan: the &#039;deception&#039; might work the first time you publish an article, but if you get caught the second time....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Duncan: the &#8216;deception&#8217; might work the first time you publish an article, but if you get caught the second time&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Duncan Hull</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Duncan Hull]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Dec 2013 10:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello Rex, I agree with you that the ignorance of authors about copyright is an important part of the problem, however, is there not a bit of deception going on getting authors to sign the agreement in the first place. It&#039;s often the last thing authors do before publication, by which time they just want to see their work published.

Perhaps publishers could be more honest and upfront about what he consequences of signing the agreement are in the first place?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Rex, I agree with you that the ignorance of authors about copyright is an important part of the problem, however, is there not a bit of deception going on getting authors to sign the agreement in the first place. It&#8217;s often the last thing authors do before publication, by which time they just want to see their work published.</p>
<p>Perhaps publishers could be more honest and upfront about what he consequences of signing the agreement are in the first place?</p>
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		<title>By: Extending the conversation: Academic publishing in the digital era &#124; jessica vitak, phd</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Extending the conversation: Academic publishing in the digital era &#124; jessica vitak, phd]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Dec 2013 18:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] already signed. One person who I interacted with through Twitter yesterday (@Protohedgehog) shared this article with me, and I generally agree with the sentiments shared in it: signing a contract with a [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] already signed. One person who I interacted with through Twitter yesterday (@Protohedgehog) shared this article with me, and I generally agree with the sentiments shared in it: signing a contract with a [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Elsevier presses copyright on papers at academia.edu &#124; African Studies library</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Elsevier presses copyright on papers at academia.edu &#124; African Studies library]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Dec 2013 14:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] One of the best analyses I&#8217;ve read is from the Library Loon: Pig-ignorant entitlement and its uses (see http://gavialib.com)./ It came to my attention from the Savage Minds Backup blog, which argues: &#8220;Don’t blame Elsevier for exercising the rights you gave them.&#8221; [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] One of the best analyses I&#8217;ve read is from the Library Loon: Pig-ignorant entitlement and its uses (see <a href="http://gavialib.com/" rel="nofollow">http://gavialib.com/</a>). It came to my attention from the Savage Minds Backup blog, which argues: &#8220;Don’t blame Elsevier for exercising the rights you gave them.&#8221; [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara Piper</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barbara Piper]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Dec 2013 10:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rex: This is potentially a nice case study in the shift from copyright to intellectual property, and Victor Grauer&#039;s post illustrates some of the misconceptions that accompany that shift. As I&#039;m sure you know, copyright law had its origins in efforts by printers to prevent competition from other printers: the exclusive right to make copies of a written work -- to print it -- had little to do with authors but a lot to do with the rampant pirating of books. Susan Eilenberg offered a nice summary of this history in her book Strange Power of Speech.

When printers were the only people with the technology to print/publish, authors needed printers, and printers needed protection of their right to copy from encroachment by other printers/publishers. Our current publishing model retains that allocation of rights, but is now less relevant when we all possess the technology to copy/publish.Publishers have little motivation to change the system or the laws that preserve it, but as we move deeper into an era in which we focus more on &quot;intellectual property&quot; and less on copyright, authors can, do, and should consider alternatives that will ultimately drive changes in the law.

Regarding Victor&#039;s note, I think most of us have had the experience in recent years of negotiating variations in copyright agreements with academic journals. As you say, journals have little to gain from changing the old system, and it is up to authors to propose alternatives. The really tough nut to crack will be books -- they are more costly to print/publish, and represent a larger investment by the publisher. Nonetheless, with the rise of simple print-on-demand options, anyone with a pdf file can print a copy of their book, undercutting the publisher. Here in Washington, the Politics and Prose bookstore has an Espresso Book Machine that can print and bind a book in 5 minutes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rex: This is potentially a nice case study in the shift from copyright to intellectual property, and Victor Grauer&#8217;s post illustrates some of the misconceptions that accompany that shift. As I&#8217;m sure you know, copyright law had its origins in efforts by printers to prevent competition from other printers: the exclusive right to make copies of a written work &#8212; to print it &#8212; had little to do with authors but a lot to do with the rampant pirating of books. Susan Eilenberg offered a nice summary of this history in her book Strange Power of Speech.</p>
<p>When printers were the only people with the technology to print/publish, authors needed printers, and printers needed protection of their right to copy from encroachment by other printers/publishers. Our current publishing model retains that allocation of rights, but is now less relevant when we all possess the technology to copy/publish.Publishers have little motivation to change the system or the laws that preserve it, but as we move deeper into an era in which we focus more on &#8220;intellectual property&#8221; and less on copyright, authors can, do, and should consider alternatives that will ultimately drive changes in the law.</p>
<p>Regarding Victor&#8217;s note, I think most of us have had the experience in recent years of negotiating variations in copyright agreements with academic journals. As you say, journals have little to gain from changing the old system, and it is up to authors to propose alternatives. The really tough nut to crack will be books &#8212; they are more costly to print/publish, and represent a larger investment by the publisher. Nonetheless, with the rise of simple print-on-demand options, anyone with a pdf file can print a copy of their book, undercutting the publisher. Here in Washington, the Politics and Prose bookstore has an Espresso Book Machine that can print and bind a book in 5 minutes.</p>
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		<title>By: Victor Grauer</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Victor Grauer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Dec 2013 04:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When the journal &quot;Before Farming&quot; accepted my paper they sent me a copyright agreement that transferred all rights to the publisher. I refused to sign away my rights and informed them that they&#039;d have to forget about publishing my work because I wasn&#039;t about to hand over copyright to them or anyone else. To my surprise, I was offered an alternative agreement that enabled me to keep my rights so long as I agreed to extend certain subsidiary rights to them, e.g., the right to reissue my paper at some future date, etc. Much relieved, I agreed and the paper was published.  A few years later I decided that I&#039;d like to make the paper available via my blog. Since I&#039;d retained copyright I was free to do that, but out of respect for the publisher I contacted them first and asked permission, which they granted.

When preparing for publication in a different journal, I noticed that they too appeared to have a policy whereby all rights were retained by them, at least that&#039;s what it said on their website. But no one ever sent me any agreement to sign, so as far as I&#039;m concerned I still possess sole and exclusive rights to this work. As a result I&#039;ve considered releasing that paper to the public as well, but have hesitated because it&#039;s just not worth antagonizing people any more than I already have (oh by the way, I had a run-in with the editor) and I&#039;d rather not have to ask permission. So for the time being that paper is available only via Jstor, or to people who actually have a subscription to that relatively esoteric publication.

The moral of my story is: despite appearances, every publication has its own way of doing business and often you can get around these restrictions if you either 1. make the effort; or 2. do nothing. I prefer the latter.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When the journal &#8220;Before Farming&#8221; accepted my paper they sent me a copyright agreement that transferred all rights to the publisher. I refused to sign away my rights and informed them that they&#8217;d have to forget about publishing my work because I wasn&#8217;t about to hand over copyright to them or anyone else. To my surprise, I was offered an alternative agreement that enabled me to keep my rights so long as I agreed to extend certain subsidiary rights to them, e.g., the right to reissue my paper at some future date, etc. Much relieved, I agreed and the paper was published.  A few years later I decided that I&#8217;d like to make the paper available via my blog. Since I&#8217;d retained copyright I was free to do that, but out of respect for the publisher I contacted them first and asked permission, which they granted.</p>
<p>When preparing for publication in a different journal, I noticed that they too appeared to have a policy whereby all rights were retained by them, at least that&#8217;s what it said on their website. But no one ever sent me any agreement to sign, so as far as I&#8217;m concerned I still possess sole and exclusive rights to this work. As a result I&#8217;ve considered releasing that paper to the public as well, but have hesitated because it&#8217;s just not worth antagonizing people any more than I already have (oh by the way, I had a run-in with the editor) and I&#8217;d rather not have to ask permission. So for the time being that paper is available only via Jstor, or to people who actually have a subscription to that relatively esoteric publication.</p>
<p>The moral of my story is: despite appearances, every publication has its own way of doing business and often you can get around these restrictions if you either 1. make the effort; or 2. do nothing. I prefer the latter.</p>
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