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		<title>By: Part 1. Anthropologists poking at Capitalism: With the Four-Field Manifesto? &#171; Adonis Diaries</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Part 1. Anthropologists poking at Capitalism: With the Four-Field Manifesto? &#171; Adonis Diaries]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 10:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Don’t Know Much About History, Don’t Know Much Anthropology… and Alex Golub at Savage Minds In America education should produce citizens, not workers.     Like this:LikeBe the first to like this post.  Tags: adonis49, Anthropologists poking at [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Don’t Know Much About History, Don’t Know Much Anthropology… and Alex Golub at Savage Minds In America education should produce citizens, not workers.     Like this:LikeBe the first to like this post.  Tags: adonis49, Anthropologists poking at [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Anthropology News</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anthropology News]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2012 19:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] complex derivatives are generally trained in physics or math. Ms Tett has a PhD in anthropology.” Alex Gulob in Savage Minds points to some of the broader issues at stake, reminding us of the centrality of [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] complex derivatives are generally trained in physics or math. Ms Tett has a PhD in anthropology.” Alex Gulob in Savage Minds points to some of the broader issues at stake, reminding us of the centrality of [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Rex</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2011 20:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[uh... was there an actual question for me in there? I mean other than some rhetorical ones?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>uh&#8230; was there an actual question for me in there? I mean other than some rhetorical ones?</p>
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		<title>By: Prudence</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Prudence]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Oct 2011 09:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rex, Well put, as always. And I would choose your side against Rick Scott&#039;s if I had to choose. But, without regard to the blowing of further smoke up your tailfeathers, let me attempt to answer your call for some leftist pushback. 

How do you see the Citizen/Worker dichotomy playing out in your department? Is the contingent labor at your school so happy to put food on the table that they keep a polite subaltern silence about being shut out of workplace self-governance? (That is, presuming there still is some pre-managerialized space of collegial self-governance in your department.) Do the weaker citizens of our beloved discipline &quot;especially suited to self-governance&quot; ever complain about not being able to afford the costs of membership/airfare/hotel required to participate in the popular assemblies through which their profession governs itself? All of which is to say, in other words: is the Tenured Class really worthy of the noblesse oblige built into a distinction between &quot;workers&quot; and &quot;human beings&quot;? 

Of course not. It would be impossibly bourgeois to insist the values of academic &quot;citizenship&quot; are reserved for people &quot;free&quot; from the economic pressures of working for a living. You are not trying to argue that anthropology is just a bourgeois affectation of the leisured classes. You know full well that education does not &quot;make human beings&quot; in the abstract, but under actual economic and political conditions, conditions which make working a necessity for ... say about 99% of the world&#039;s population (to pull a number out of a hat). If anthropology really can &quot;invent a new industry&quot; to employ these people, I am sure Rick Scott will be more than happy to eat a double helping of crow and appoint a Sociocultural Commissar. But it seems more likely that anthropology is condemned to follow the rest of the world into a period of divisive economic stress. And when the ideological bubble that endows the Uni degree with its fetishized aura as a ticket into the leisured classes pops, anthropology&#039;s kept estate of contingent labor and its reserve army of unemployable graduate students might find more common cause with the rest of the 99% than with Thomas Jefferson&#039;s venerable aristocratic liberal-artistic virtues. The vital anthropology of the 21st century will have less, not more, connection to the values of the 18th. Hell, maybe Graeber really is the Second Coming, and the values of the 21st century in general will be more anthropological than aristocratic. We can certainly hope. But if so, then our vaunted expertise in &quot;self governance&quot; better start generating proof-of-concept for how to detach our particular discipline from the sinking ship of Subprime Student Debt, Inc.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rex, Well put, as always. And I would choose your side against Rick Scott&#8217;s if I had to choose. But, without regard to the blowing of further smoke up your tailfeathers, let me attempt to answer your call for some leftist pushback. </p>
<p>How do you see the Citizen/Worker dichotomy playing out in your department? Is the contingent labor at your school so happy to put food on the table that they keep a polite subaltern silence about being shut out of workplace self-governance? (That is, presuming there still is some pre-managerialized space of collegial self-governance in your department.) Do the weaker citizens of our beloved discipline &#8220;especially suited to self-governance&#8221; ever complain about not being able to afford the costs of membership/airfare/hotel required to participate in the popular assemblies through which their profession governs itself? All of which is to say, in other words: is the Tenured Class really worthy of the noblesse oblige built into a distinction between &#8220;workers&#8221; and &#8220;human beings&#8221;? </p>
<p>Of course not. It would be impossibly bourgeois to insist the values of academic &#8220;citizenship&#8221; are reserved for people &#8220;free&#8221; from the economic pressures of working for a living. You are not trying to argue that anthropology is just a bourgeois affectation of the leisured classes. You know full well that education does not &#8220;make human beings&#8221; in the abstract, but under actual economic and political conditions, conditions which make working a necessity for &#8230; say about 99% of the world&#8217;s population (to pull a number out of a hat). If anthropology really can &#8220;invent a new industry&#8221; to employ these people, I am sure Rick Scott will be more than happy to eat a double helping of crow and appoint a Sociocultural Commissar. But it seems more likely that anthropology is condemned to follow the rest of the world into a period of divisive economic stress. And when the ideological bubble that endows the Uni degree with its fetishized aura as a ticket into the leisured classes pops, anthropology&#8217;s kept estate of contingent labor and its reserve army of unemployable graduate students might find more common cause with the rest of the 99% than with Thomas Jefferson&#8217;s venerable aristocratic liberal-artistic virtues. The vital anthropology of the 21st century will have less, not more, connection to the values of the 18th. Hell, maybe Graeber really is the Second Coming, and the values of the 21st century in general will be more anthropological than aristocratic. We can certainly hope. But if so, then our vaunted expertise in &#8220;self governance&#8221; better start generating proof-of-concept for how to detach our particular discipline from the sinking ship of Subprime Student Debt, Inc.</p>
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		<title>By: Being an Anthropologist Born in the 80s: Rick Scott, Public Debate and Representation &#171; How to be an Anthropologist</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Being an Anthropologist Born in the 80s: Rick Scott, Public Debate and Representation &#171; How to be an Anthropologist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2011 21:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] In America education should produce citizens, not workers – Savage Minds (Oct. 20, 2011) [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] In America education should produce citizens, not workers – Savage Minds (Oct. 20, 2011) [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: this is anthropology &#124; xirdalium</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[this is anthropology &#124; xirdalium]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 23:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Association (AAA) swiftly responded with a &#8595;short letter, Rex Golub at Savage Minds &#8593;revokes the spirit of Thomas Jefferson, and there&#8217;s a general uprise. To get it all, have a look at &#8593;Daniel Lende&#8217;s huge [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Association (AAA) swiftly responded with a &darr;short letter, Rex Golub at Savage Minds &uarr;revokes the spirit of Thomas Jefferson, and there&#8217;s a general uprise. To get it all, have a look at &uarr;Daniel Lende&#8217;s huge [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Antrosio</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jason Antrosio]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 00:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow, Rex, if I could like/recommend/thumbs-up a comment on Savage MInds, that would be it. Great work!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Rex, if I could like/recommend/thumbs-up a comment on Savage MInds, that would be it. Great work!</p>
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		<title>By: Rex</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2011 23:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s it: at the AAAs I&#039;m going to list the affiliation on my name tag as &quot;The Booker T. Washington of Activist Anthropology&quot;. Genius.

To be honest, I am surprised that this entry hasn&#039;t gotten more pushback from leftist/activist anthropologists about how terrible American democracy is, Jefferson was a neurotic spendthrift slave owner, structural violence and colonialism is what made America, not liberty and justice for all etc. How can anthropology tolerate the moral self-confidence and pariochalism-cum-patriotism this post displays? Cmon folks: come at me!

As for some of the other comments, I used to be very sensitive to the fact that I am one of the worst spellers on the planet, but now I find &quot;since you&#039;ve spelled your arugment wrong, it must be incorrect&quot; to be an almost empowering critique -- how can you take someone seriously when their engagement with your claim stops at the level of typography? 

Finally, &quot;Col. Nelson&quot; is actually some sort of Zizek-Crazed OWS type masquerading as a right-wing sock puppet, since any red-blooded American soldier will know that we&#039;ve won the war in Iraq (in fact, we&#039;ve announced our victory twice now!) and Afghanistcan is COMPLETELY ready to stand on its own two feet, so HTS is no longer needed and can be abandoned. Gratz to all who served. For reallyies.

More seriously, though, putting on the Booker T. Washington mask for a second, surely one of the biggest problems with America today is that the only form of civil virtue that anyone seems to recognize is military service. Somehow we expect &#039;real&#039; patriots to lay down their life for their country, but asking someone to sacrifice for the general good by paying taxes is somehow completely unacceptable. So much for civic virtue.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s it: at the AAAs I&#8217;m going to list the affiliation on my name tag as &#8220;The Booker T. Washington of Activist Anthropology&#8221;. Genius.</p>
<p>To be honest, I am surprised that this entry hasn&#8217;t gotten more pushback from leftist/activist anthropologists about how terrible American democracy is, Jefferson was a neurotic spendthrift slave owner, structural violence and colonialism is what made America, not liberty and justice for all etc. How can anthropology tolerate the moral self-confidence and pariochalism-cum-patriotism this post displays? Cmon folks: come at me!</p>
<p>As for some of the other comments, I used to be very sensitive to the fact that I am one of the worst spellers on the planet, but now I find &#8220;since you&#8217;ve spelled your arugment wrong, it must be incorrect&#8221; to be an almost empowering critique &#8212; how can you take someone seriously when their engagement with your claim stops at the level of typography? </p>
<p>Finally, &#8220;Col. Nelson&#8221; is actually some sort of Zizek-Crazed OWS type masquerading as a right-wing sock puppet, since any red-blooded American soldier will know that we&#8217;ve won the war in Iraq (in fact, we&#8217;ve announced our victory twice now!) and Afghanistcan is COMPLETELY ready to stand on its own two feet, so HTS is no longer needed and can be abandoned. Gratz to all who served. For reallyies.</p>
<p>More seriously, though, putting on the Booker T. Washington mask for a second, surely one of the biggest problems with America today is that the only form of civil virtue that anyone seems to recognize is military service. Somehow we expect &#8216;real&#8217; patriots to lay down their life for their country, but asking someone to sacrifice for the general good by paying taxes is somehow completely unacceptable. So much for civic virtue.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthropology, Dialog, and &#8220;Intellectual reconstruction&#8221; &#124; Savage Minds</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anthropology, Dialog, and &#8220;Intellectual reconstruction&#8221; &#124; Savage Minds]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2011 16:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] produces jobs directly) and the latter is nice, but not really all that necessary.  I think Rex did a pretty good job of explaining why a well rounded liberal arts education does indeed, matte....  And he used Thomas Jefferson&#8217;s words to do it.  Nice work, [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] produces jobs directly) and the latter is nice, but not really all that necessary.  I think Rex did a pretty good job of explaining why a well rounded liberal arts education does indeed, matte&#8230;.  And he used Thomas Jefferson&#8217;s words to do it.  Nice work, [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: S F</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2011 00:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Whats enigneering and medecine? Learn to spell and make a good argument. Terrible. There is no demand for anthropologist other than complaining-annoying-stupid professors that don&#039;t know anything about real science.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whats enigneering and medecine? Learn to spell and make a good argument. Terrible. There is no demand for anthropologist other than complaining-annoying-stupid professors that don&#8217;t know anything about real science.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Lende</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Lende]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2011 13:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for this piece, Rex, as everyone else has said.  You have a good example of the rapid changes in what we face, and why that makes a liberal arts education important for citizens.  And then back it up with some important history.  And I like the idea of Thomas Jefferson as ur-anthropologist.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this piece, Rex, as everyone else has said.  You have a good example of the rapid changes in what we face, and why that makes a liberal arts education important for citizens.  And then back it up with some important history.  And I like the idea of Thomas Jefferson as ur-anthropologist.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rob Johnson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2011 12:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Regarding the title:  education should produce citizens, not workers.  This is not the current convention.  More than ever, Americans define themselves by their work.  The current employment recession is as much an identity crisis as it is the very real issue of justice in relation to labor and debt.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the title:  education should produce citizens, not workers.  This is not the current convention.  More than ever, Americans define themselves by their work.  The current employment recession is as much an identity crisis as it is the very real issue of justice in relation to labor and debt.</p>
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		<title>By: MTBradley</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MTBradley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2011 03:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The U.S. Military and the politicians who send it to fight don&#8217;t need people to help them make an unworkable plan in progress workable, they need people to tell them plainly that a plan is unworkable before blood and treasure is spent on it in the first place.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The U.S. Military and the politicians who send it to fight don&#8217;t need people to help them make an unworkable plan in progress workable, they need people to tell them plainly that a plan is unworkable before blood and treasure is spent on it in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ryan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2011 02:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Col. Nelson wrote: &quot;If anthropology wants to save itself, wouldn’t a more coherent argument be...&quot;

Actually, I found Rex&#039;s argument in favor of producing free-thinking, informed citizens to be quite coherent--and convincing.  So I guess we can agree to disagree about that one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Col. Nelson wrote: &#8220;If anthropology wants to save itself, wouldn’t a more coherent argument be&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, I found Rex&#8217;s argument in favor of producing free-thinking, informed citizens to be quite coherent&#8211;and convincing.  So I guess we can agree to disagree about that one.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Thompson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt Thompson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2011 00:34:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ah, the Booker T. Washington approach.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, the Booker T. Washington approach.</p>
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