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		<title>By: WC25: Jackson, Taussig, and Rutherford &#124; Savage Minds</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[WC25: Jackson, Taussig, and Rutherford &#124; Savage Minds]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2012 03:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Clifford’s papers are here. And my post on Hugh Raffles and Kim Fortun’s presentations is here. Rex also contributed some reflections on his growing appreciation of Writing Culture since having it forced down his gullet as a grad [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Clifford’s papers are here. And my post on Hugh Raffles and Kim Fortun’s presentations is here. Rex also contributed some reflections on his growing appreciation of Writing Culture since having it forced down his gullet as a grad [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Part 2. Anthropologists poking at Capitalism: With the Four-Field Manifesto? &#171; Adonis Diaries</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Part 2. Anthropologists poking at Capitalism: With the Four-Field Manifesto? &#171; Adonis Diaries]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2012 10:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] world needs cultural anthropology more than ever before. We may disagree on the importance of Writing Culture–but we can agree that when much of the world’s population gets written off as irrelevant, then [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] world needs cultural anthropology more than ever before. We may disagree on the importance of Writing Culture–but we can agree that when much of the world’s population gets written off as irrelevant, then [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Anthropology, Moral Optimism, and Capitalism--A Four-Field Manifesto</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anthropology, Moral Optimism, and Capitalism--A Four-Field Manifesto]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Oct 2011 20:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] world needs cultural anthropology more than ever before. We may disagree on the importance of Writing Culture&#8211;but we can agree that when much of the world&#8217;s population gets written off as [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] world needs cultural anthropology more than ever before. We may disagree on the importance of Writing Culture&#8211;but we can agree that when much of the world&#8217;s population gets written off as [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: L Moore</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[L Moore]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2011 20:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I refer to these folks as the &quot;culture critique&quot; crowd.  While I am open to new ideas and am glad that they had their chance to make a difference,  I still don&#039;t have much use for their work.  My comments on a recent rendition of that perspective.

http://ageofintuition.blogspot.com/2011/04/lameness-of-otherness.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I refer to these folks as the &#8220;culture critique&#8221; crowd.  While I am open to new ideas and am glad that they had their chance to make a difference,  I still don&#8217;t have much use for their work.  My comments on a recent rendition of that perspective.</p>
<p><a href="http://ageofintuition.blogspot.com/2011/04/lameness-of-otherness.html" rel="nofollow">http://ageofintuition.blogspot.com/2011/04/lameness-of-otherness.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Greg Downey</title>
		<link>/2011/10/10/on-detesting-writing-culture-at-a-young-age/comment-page-1/#comment-708421</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Downey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2011 01:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Alex --
Like the others above, I think you hit a great balance between celebration and polemic.  I was a few years ahead of you at the same PhD mill... errr, august institution, and I think that, for many of us, the newness had gone out of the insights of Writing Culture, and we were fatigued by less-adept versions of what was being done by the Rice Circle that were being rehearsed over and over again. Your reminder to reread the original is a timely one.

I think in the end, though, my lasting issues with reflexivitity are less about what was written in WC than the way that the collection&#039;s subtle questions got turned by some scholars into boilerplate critiques of those who did not ask the same questions.  That is, while I respect WC as an intellectual project, the arguments became rehearsals for formulaic critiques of other scholars: &#039;you aren&#039;t being sufficiently reflexive,&#039; &#039;you aren&#039;t considering how genre conventions are shaping what you write&#039;...

Certainly, in my own development, as I have tracked steadily away from humanities-based approaches in my writing toward more engagement with biological and cognitive science, I grow increasingly impatient with critiques from absence, the always-available criticism &#039;you don&#039;t do something else in your work (that you never promised).&#039;  The WC project, however positive and *self*-reflexive, also lent itself well to this dogged suspicion of each other, sometimes justifying an intellectual refusal to engage with people&#039;s projects.

I&#039;m intentionally being vague (well, that&#039;s what I&#039;m going to claim).  I suppose that one thing about doing a PhD at certain sorts of august institutions is that you realise critique ain&#039;t hard; get a few good ones down, and you pretty much can try to put anyone on the back foot, no matter what sort of paper they present or question they ask.  I certainly don&#039;t blame Marcus, Fisher et al. for this tendency, but it does sour my enthusiasm for WC.

And yet, like so many other schools of thought that we initially define ourselves against]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex &#8212;<br />
Like the others above, I think you hit a great balance between celebration and polemic.  I was a few years ahead of you at the same PhD mill&#8230; errr, august institution, and I think that, for many of us, the newness had gone out of the insights of Writing Culture, and we were fatigued by less-adept versions of what was being done by the Rice Circle that were being rehearsed over and over again. Your reminder to reread the original is a timely one.</p>
<p>I think in the end, though, my lasting issues with reflexivitity are less about what was written in WC than the way that the collection&#8217;s subtle questions got turned by some scholars into boilerplate critiques of those who did not ask the same questions.  That is, while I respect WC as an intellectual project, the arguments became rehearsals for formulaic critiques of other scholars: &#8216;you aren&#8217;t being sufficiently reflexive,&#8217; &#8216;you aren&#8217;t considering how genre conventions are shaping what you write&#8217;&#8230;</p>
<p>Certainly, in my own development, as I have tracked steadily away from humanities-based approaches in my writing toward more engagement with biological and cognitive science, I grow increasingly impatient with critiques from absence, the always-available criticism &#8216;you don&#8217;t do something else in your work (that you never promised).&#8217;  The WC project, however positive and *self*-reflexive, also lent itself well to this dogged suspicion of each other, sometimes justifying an intellectual refusal to engage with people&#8217;s projects.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m intentionally being vague (well, that&#8217;s what I&#8217;m going to claim).  I suppose that one thing about doing a PhD at certain sorts of august institutions is that you realise critique ain&#8217;t hard; get a few good ones down, and you pretty much can try to put anyone on the back foot, no matter what sort of paper they present or question they ask.  I certainly don&#8217;t blame Marcus, Fisher et al. for this tendency, but it does sour my enthusiasm for WC.</p>
<p>And yet, like so many other schools of thought that we initially define ourselves against</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Antrosio</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jason Antrosio]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Oct 2011 19:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you, Alex. Point taken!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Alex. Point taken!</p>
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		<title>By: Rex</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 23:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;d think so. And yet the students produced by Writing Culture are among the most active in supporting Open Access and rethinking the AAAs publication program -- precisely because of the freedom they&#039;ve been given to think about genre.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;d think so. And yet the students produced by Writing Culture are among the most active in supporting Open Access and rethinking the AAAs publication program &#8212; precisely because of the freedom they&#8217;ve been given to think about genre.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Antrosio</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jason Antrosio]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2011 15:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I appreciate the commentary as well, and second John McCreery&#039;s sentiment, so I hope my own comment isn&#039;t the Punch-and-Judy show. I too grew up in an anthropology department where we (for the most part) detested Writing Culture, sitting around seminar tables with Sidney Mintz and Rolph Trouillot. However, I have not felt a need to revisit it, and I&#039;ve been a bit mystified by the 25-year hoopla.

I am willing to recognize that the contributions may have had more to offer than the ways they were caricatured; that these contributions were part of ongoing projects, student-led work, and drew different and perhaps more creative people into the discipline. Still, it seems Writing Culture marked a retreat from public relevancy. Without claiming there was a prior Golden Age of Anthropological Importance and Influence, the Writing Culture approach seems to solidify a move away from anthropological engagement.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate the commentary as well, and second John McCreery&#8217;s sentiment, so I hope my own comment isn&#8217;t the Punch-and-Judy show. I too grew up in an anthropology department where we (for the most part) detested Writing Culture, sitting around seminar tables with Sidney Mintz and Rolph Trouillot. However, I have not felt a need to revisit it, and I&#8217;ve been a bit mystified by the 25-year hoopla.</p>
<p>I am willing to recognize that the contributions may have had more to offer than the ways they were caricatured; that these contributions were part of ongoing projects, student-led work, and drew different and perhaps more creative people into the discipline. Still, it seems Writing Culture marked a retreat from public relevancy. Without claiming there was a prior Golden Age of Anthropological Importance and Influence, the Writing Culture approach seems to solidify a move away from anthropological engagement.</p>
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		<title>By: John McCreery</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John McCreery]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2011 04:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Alex, nothing substantial to add. Just wanted to say that this is one of the most generous things I have read recently, a pleasure in a world where blog posts and comment streams tend to turn into Punch-and-Judy shows.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex, nothing substantial to add. Just wanted to say that this is one of the most generous things I have read recently, a pleasure in a world where blog posts and comment streams tend to turn into Punch-and-Judy shows.</p>
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		<title>By: Liz Marks</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Liz Marks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2011 22:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m a member of the Rice bubble, being, er, a Rice PhD student. But without an anthro background before starting, I hadn&#039;t actually read Writing Culture before coming here. 

Rather, I have an art and fiction writing background, and my first thoughts upon reading WC were &quot;Banzai! I can experiment with writing in this medium and get away with it!&quot; This is to say that as someone used to writing explicitly labeled as &quot;creative&quot;, what struck me about it was the permission it gave me (at that time, being an anthro newbie, I needed permission) to tinker with how I wrote ethnography the same way I used to tinker every aspect of my writing in the past. I didn&#039;t have to make some sort of pretense towards journalistic feigned neutrality if I didn&#039;t feel it...  I could still... and I type this with tongue in cheek.. make art. 

I actually got all of this from Taussig as well, not just from WC.

Well, Tyler retired this past spring, and I was thankfully able to tell him at his retirement party that I&#039;d felt the same level of excitement reading his essay as I had reading all of the emergent hypertext fiction stuff in the late 90s :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a member of the Rice bubble, being, er, a Rice PhD student. But without an anthro background before starting, I hadn&#8217;t actually read Writing Culture before coming here. </p>
<p>Rather, I have an art and fiction writing background, and my first thoughts upon reading WC were &#8220;Banzai! I can experiment with writing in this medium and get away with it!&#8221; This is to say that as someone used to writing explicitly labeled as &#8220;creative&#8221;, what struck me about it was the permission it gave me (at that time, being an anthro newbie, I needed permission) to tinker with how I wrote ethnography the same way I used to tinker every aspect of my writing in the past. I didn&#8217;t have to make some sort of pretense towards journalistic feigned neutrality if I didn&#8217;t feel it&#8230;  I could still&#8230; and I type this with tongue in cheek.. make art. </p>
<p>I actually got all of this from Taussig as well, not just from WC.</p>
<p>Well, Tyler retired this past spring, and I was thankfully able to tell him at his retirement party that I&#8217;d felt the same level of excitement reading his essay as I had reading all of the emergent hypertext fiction stuff in the late 90s 🙂</p>
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