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	<title>Comments on: A US Soldier&#8217;s Experience in Iraq on 9/11</title>
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		<title>By: Closing the week 36 &#8211; The Remains of That Day 9/11 &#124; C L O S E R</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Closing the week 36 &#8211; The Remains of That Day 9/11 &#124; C L O S E R]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Sep 2011 11:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] A US Soldier’s Experience in Iraq on 9/11 &#124; Savage Minds Here is a second interview with my friend serving his second term in Baghdad. We talk about his ‘cultural training’ exercises, Bradley Manning, and his engagement with the local Iraqis. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] A US Soldier’s Experience in Iraq on 9/11 | Savage Minds Here is a second interview with my friend serving his second term in Baghdad. We talk about his ‘cultural training’ exercises, Bradley Manning, and his engagement with the local Iraqis. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Barry Bainton</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Bainton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2011 18:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ras

       If not you, who else is going to look out for your ass? 

Personal responsibility begins with looking out for yourself. 

Just like in the airplane -- put on the oxygen mask BEFORE you put it on the child. Otherwise you are going to be of no help to the child, and just become a burden to others as another victim.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ras</p>
<p>       If not you, who else is going to look out for your ass? </p>
<p>Personal responsibility begins with looking out for yourself. </p>
<p>Just like in the airplane &#8212; put on the oxygen mask BEFORE you put it on the child. Otherwise you are going to be of no help to the child, and just become a burden to others as another victim.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Adam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2011 00:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Ras, you are displaying not a very sophisticated use of anthropological theory to contextualize this &#039;raw data&#039; about one soldier&#039;s experience. I suggest you not only think a bit wider and deeper about the situation of this informant but most importantly show some respect for someone with the guts to exhibit his experiences honestly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ras, you are displaying not a very sophisticated use of anthropological theory to contextualize this &#8216;raw data&#8217; about one soldier&#8217;s experience. I suggest you not only think a bit wider and deeper about the situation of this informant but most importantly show some respect for someone with the guts to exhibit his experiences honestly.</p>
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		<title>By: Ras Smitty</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ras Smitty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2011 23:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[More proof soldiers don&#039;t care about law, due process or anything but their own asses.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More proof soldiers don&#8217;t care about law, due process or anything but their own asses.</p>
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		<title>By: John McCreery</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John McCreery]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2011 04:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[MT is right. I am guilty of conflating Special Forces (a term whose primary referent for me is the Vietnam era Green Berets) and SOCOM, the Special Operations Command. To learn more about the latter, see

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Special_Operations_Command]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MT is right. I am guilty of conflating Special Forces (a term whose primary referent for me is the Vietnam era Green Berets) and SOCOM, the Special Operations Command. To learn more about the latter, see</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Special_Operations_Command" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Special_Operations_Command</a></p>
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		<title>By: MTBradley</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MTBradley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2011 04:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[*butcher and bolt]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*butcher and bolt</p>
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		<title>By: MTBradley</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MTBradley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2011 04:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;
		Some day some historian will write an account of how Special Forces, originally conceived as organizers of local resistance to the enemy in question became transformed, via, for example, Operation Phoenix in the Vietnam Era, into the bleeding edge of wet work in the shadows—ideally with local accomplices but, now increasingly in cooperation with drones and other high-tech toys. 
	&lt;/blockquote&gt;

	The U.S. Special Forces (not to get too far into the weeds, but you seem to be making the common terminological mistake of referring to SOCOM as a whole as Special Forces) can trace their origin to the OSS and the Jedburgh teams. There&#8217;s an Afghanistan connection in there, as Churchill was an admirer of butcher and both while fighting the Pashtun in British India.

	I do think there is an argument to be made in favor of the night raid strategy, but having lived in a place were people went to bed at night with an honest fear that someone dressed in black was going to kick in their door before sunrise I am consistently creeped out by how unproblematically it is presented in American media, &lt;em&gt;Frontline&lt;/em&gt; being a happy exception. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/topsecretamerica/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The latest &lt;em&gt;Frontline&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt; is a good one, too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>
		Some day some historian will write an account of how Special Forces, originally conceived as organizers of local resistance to the enemy in question became transformed, via, for example, Operation Phoenix in the Vietnam Era, into the bleeding edge of wet work in the shadows—ideally with local accomplices but, now increasingly in cooperation with drones and other high-tech toys.
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<p>	The U.S. Special Forces (not to get too far into the weeds, but you seem to be making the common terminological mistake of referring to SOCOM as a whole as Special Forces) can trace their origin to the OSS and the Jedburgh teams. There&#8217;s an Afghanistan connection in there, as Churchill was an admirer of butcher and both while fighting the Pashtun in British India.</p>
<p>	I do think there is an argument to be made in favor of the night raid strategy, but having lived in a place were people went to bed at night with an honest fear that someone dressed in black was going to kick in their door before sunrise I am consistently creeped out by how unproblematically it is presented in American media, <em>Frontline</em> being a happy exception. <a href="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/topsecretamerica/" rel="nofollow">The latest <em>Frontline</em></a> is a good one, too.</p>
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		<title>By: John McCreery</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John McCreery]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2011 03:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[MT, thanks for the complications. Some day some historian will write an account of how Special Forces, originally conceived as organizers of local resistance to the enemy in question became transformed, via, for example, Operation Phoenix in the Vietnam Era, into the bleeding edge of wet work in the shadows—ideally with local accomplices but, now increasingly in cooperation with drones and other high-tech toys. What I thought the Frontline reporters did a pretty good job of was demonstrating the fundamental contradiction between &quot;We are keeping you safe and helping you rebuild&quot; (the ask assigned to the ordinary grunts) and &quot;We kick down your doors at night and, if you happen to be killed by a drone while riding with a &#039;known&#039; terrorist that&#039;s just your bad luck.&quot; Or, in other words, fighting terror with peacekeeping vs fighting terror with terror.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MT, thanks for the complications. Some day some historian will write an account of how Special Forces, originally conceived as organizers of local resistance to the enemy in question became transformed, via, for example, Operation Phoenix in the Vietnam Era, into the bleeding edge of wet work in the shadows—ideally with local accomplices but, now increasingly in cooperation with drones and other high-tech toys. What I thought the Frontline reporters did a pretty good job of was demonstrating the fundamental contradiction between &#8220;We are keeping you safe and helping you rebuild&#8221; (the ask assigned to the ordinary grunts) and &#8220;We kick down your doors at night and, if you happen to be killed by a drone while riding with a &#8216;known&#8217; terrorist that&#8217;s just your bad luck.&#8221; Or, in other words, fighting terror with peacekeeping vs fighting terror with terror.</p>
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		<title>By: MTBradley</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 19:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[bq. What seems to be happening at the moment is a growing gap between Special Operations Command, which is all about &quot;We are warriors&quot; and deeply involved in aggressive Kill/Capture programs directed at &quot;terrorists&quot; and the boots-on-the-ground big army folk, who have been scrambling, ever since the fall of the Berlin Wall and the end of a primary mission defined as being able to defeat a Soviet invasion of Europe, to find a new raison d’être—which increasingly involves humanitarian and other &quot;nation-building&quot; activities. 

That&#039;s a bit of an oversimplification in regards to SOCOM members. The Pararescuers are life savers first and foremost and the why of the Special Forces is to provide a foreign training capability. &quot;JSOC&quot;:http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/top-secret-america-a-look-at-the-militarys-joint-special-operations-command/2011/08/30/gIQAvYuAxJ_story.html is at the center of the kill or capture efforts, though non-Tier 1 units are also involved.

I assume there are those who would like to see a COINcentric military (fewer and fewer every day, hopefully), but I think the nation-building stuff can just as well be read as mission specific to Iraq and Afghanistan. USFK and the 3rd Marine Division have remained pretty clear in their post-Berlin Wall raison d’être, for example.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bq. What seems to be happening at the moment is a growing gap between Special Operations Command, which is all about &#8220;We are warriors&#8221; and deeply involved in aggressive Kill/Capture programs directed at &#8220;terrorists&#8221; and the boots-on-the-ground big army folk, who have been scrambling, ever since the fall of the Berlin Wall and the end of a primary mission defined as being able to defeat a Soviet invasion of Europe, to find a new raison d’être—which increasingly involves humanitarian and other &#8220;nation-building&#8221; activities. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s a bit of an oversimplification in regards to SOCOM members. The Pararescuers are life savers first and foremost and the why of the Special Forces is to provide a foreign training capability. &#8220;JSOC&#8221;:<a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/top-secret-america-a-look-at-the-militarys-joint-special-operations-command/2011/08/30/gIQAvYuAxJ_story.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/top-secret-america-a-look-at-the-militarys-joint-special-operations-command/2011/08/30/gIQAvYuAxJ_story.html</a> is at the center of the kill or capture efforts, though non-Tier 1 units are also involved.</p>
<p>I assume there are those who would like to see a COINcentric military (fewer and fewer every day, hopefully), but I think the nation-building stuff can just as well be read as mission specific to Iraq and Afghanistan. USFK and the 3rd Marine Division have remained pretty clear in their post-Berlin Wall raison d’être, for example.</p>
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		<title>By: John McCreery</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John McCreery]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 01:42:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@John Emerson

Anthropologists have a way of talking about &quot;the military&quot; as if the military was an undifferentiated blob. Those of us with a bit more intimate perspective (in my case a daughter and son-in-law who are both Annapolis graduates and did tours in the Middle East—for a time we were one of the few families I knew who subscribed both to &lt;i&gt;The Nation&lt;/i&gt; and to the &lt;i&gt;Proceedings of the Naval Institute&lt;/i&gt;), the situation is more complex, involving both inter-service rivalries and on-going attempts to rethink the mission for different parts of the military. What seems to be happening at the moment is a growing gap between Special Operations Command, which is all about &quot;We are warriors&quot; and deeply involved in aggressive Kill/Capture programs directed at &quot;terrorists&quot; and the boots-on-the-ground big army folk, who have been scrambling, ever since the fall of the Berlin Wall and the end of a primary mission defined as being able to defeat a Soviet invasion of Europe, to find a new raison d&#039;être—which increasingly involves humanitarian and other &quot;nation-building&quot; activities. 

Just last week, before returning to Japan from the States, we saw a great PBS program on this issue. Check out

http://interactive.wxxi.org/highlights/2011/05/frontline-killcapture-wxxi-tv]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@John Emerson</p>
<p>Anthropologists have a way of talking about &#8220;the military&#8221; as if the military was an undifferentiated blob. Those of us with a bit more intimate perspective (in my case a daughter and son-in-law who are both Annapolis graduates and did tours in the Middle East—for a time we were one of the few families I knew who subscribed both to <i>The Nation</i> and to the <i>Proceedings of the Naval Institute</i>), the situation is more complex, involving both inter-service rivalries and on-going attempts to rethink the mission for different parts of the military. What seems to be happening at the moment is a growing gap between Special Operations Command, which is all about &#8220;We are warriors&#8221; and deeply involved in aggressive Kill/Capture programs directed at &#8220;terrorists&#8221; and the boots-on-the-ground big army folk, who have been scrambling, ever since the fall of the Berlin Wall and the end of a primary mission defined as being able to defeat a Soviet invasion of Europe, to find a new raison d&#8217;être—which increasingly involves humanitarian and other &#8220;nation-building&#8221; activities. </p>
<p>Just last week, before returning to Japan from the States, we saw a great PBS program on this issue. Check out</p>
<p><a href="http://interactive.wxxi.org/highlights/2011/05/frontline-killcapture-wxxi-tv" rel="nofollow">http://interactive.wxxi.org/highlights/2011/05/frontline-killcapture-wxxi-tv</a></p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Josh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2011 19:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@John Emerson:

See also: Spanish-American War, Panamanian Independence from Gran Colombia, etc. Nation building is what America does.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@John Emerson:</p>
<p>See also: Spanish-American War, Panamanian Independence from Gran Colombia, etc. Nation building is what America does.</p>
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		<title>By: MTBradley</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MTBradley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2011 14:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;
		I would as well stop and talk to the Sons of Iraq and ask them what is up. The SOI or Sons of Iraq are like volunteer police. They used to be paid by the government but now I believe they are free agents so to speak. Sometimes the locals pay them and sometimes they are burned alive by the local insurgents. They are the brave son of a bitches who stand on the streets with their AK 47&#8217;s everyday so they are in the know. Why we don&#8217;t interact with them more is beyond me.
	&lt;/blockquote&gt;

	&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/416/iraq-after-us?act=1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A wonderful act of &lt;em&gt;This American Life&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt; centers on a former member of the SOI.]]></description>
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		I would as well stop and talk to the Sons of Iraq and ask them what is up. The SOI or Sons of Iraq are like volunteer police. They used to be paid by the government but now I believe they are free agents so to speak. Sometimes the locals pay them and sometimes they are burned alive by the local insurgents. They are the brave son of a bitches who stand on the streets with their AK 47&#8217;s everyday so they are in the know. Why we don&#8217;t interact with them more is beyond me.
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<p>	<a href="http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/416/iraq-after-us?act=1" rel="nofollow">A wonderful act of <em>This American Life</em></a> centers on a former member of the SOI.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2011 14:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey, that is really interesting because today i was watching the news and they were commemorating the crashes  of 911, and i have always wondered if maybe they gave a better cultural education to soldiers maybe Middle Easterner&#039;s would be more appreciative when encountering American soldiers and therefor slowly improving there views on America? I have traveled a lot and threw experience i have discovered that other cultures are more appreciative when you make a effort to speak there language.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, that is really interesting because today i was watching the news and they were commemorating the crashes  of 911, and i have always wondered if maybe they gave a better cultural education to soldiers maybe Middle Easterner&#8217;s would be more appreciative when encountering American soldiers and therefor slowly improving there views on America? I have traveled a lot and threw experience i have discovered that other cultures are more appreciative when you make a effort to speak there language.</p>
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		<title>By: Rosco Tabla</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rosco Tabla]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2011 13:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You will please excuse us if on this anniversary of 9/11 we don&#039;t all &quot;thank you for your service&quot; (though no doubt some of those whose kids have also been pushed into the armed &quot;services&quot; will). But I know too many vets who become angry when civilians thank them in this way because it is part of a processes covering-up all the bad things they know they did as part of this service, and secondly, such blind statements further remove us from acknowledging just what forms of empire &quot;service&quot; in Iraq actually serves. You might think the form of this interview somehow removes you from your own responsibility for being part of an operation that won&#039;t even engage with the SOI etc., but your knowledge only further problemaizes your role in this misadventure. 

Where is your agency soldier?  Or wait, aren&#039;t we allowed to ask that on 9/11?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You will please excuse us if on this anniversary of 9/11 we don&#8217;t all &#8220;thank you for your service&#8221; (though no doubt some of those whose kids have also been pushed into the armed &#8220;services&#8221; will). But I know too many vets who become angry when civilians thank them in this way because it is part of a processes covering-up all the bad things they know they did as part of this service, and secondly, such blind statements further remove us from acknowledging just what forms of empire &#8220;service&#8221; in Iraq actually serves. You might think the form of this interview somehow removes you from your own responsibility for being part of an operation that won&#8217;t even engage with the SOI etc., but your knowledge only further problemaizes your role in this misadventure. </p>
<p>Where is your agency soldier?  Or wait, aren&#8217;t we allowed to ask that on 9/11?</p>
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		<title>By: John Emerson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Emerson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2011 17:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The idea of the US military doing nation-building strikes me as highly dubious. Armies are mostly about fighting wars, and your best soldiers might not be good  cultural ambassadors. A basic minimum  respect for the locals, in the sense of not being abusive. is about as much as I think should be hoped for. 

Even worse, I don&#039;t see how you could train soldiers for nation-building person to person work without indoctrinating them in some particular ideology, which right now would be free-market triumphalism + as much authoritarianism as is necessary + cooperation with the US + a dose of Christianism sneaked in + whatever else the individuals in the field come up with. And these principles then return to the US when military finish their tours or retire.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The idea of the US military doing nation-building strikes me as highly dubious. Armies are mostly about fighting wars, and your best soldiers might not be good  cultural ambassadors. A basic minimum  respect for the locals, in the sense of not being abusive. is about as much as I think should be hoped for. </p>
<p>Even worse, I don&#8217;t see how you could train soldiers for nation-building person to person work without indoctrinating them in some particular ideology, which right now would be free-market triumphalism + as much authoritarianism as is necessary + cooperation with the US + a dose of Christianism sneaked in + whatever else the individuals in the field come up with. And these principles then return to the US when military finish their tours or retire.</p>
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