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		<title>By: A remix everything is &#171; Culture Matters</title>
		<link>/2009/12/24/avatar/comment-page-1/#comment-705671</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A remix everything is &#171; Culture Matters]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 May 2011 09:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] part of a &#8220;sorry for colonialism&#8221; movie subgenre. This relates back to discussions on Savage Minds and elsewhere on that subject, and while not providing much in the way of analysis the video does [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] part of a &#8220;sorry for colonialism&#8221; movie subgenre. This relates back to discussions on Savage Minds and elsewhere on that subject, and while not providing much in the way of analysis the video does [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Avatar &#171; Bischoff.no</title>
		<link>/2009/12/24/avatar/comment-page-1/#comment-645214</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Avatar &#171; Bischoff.no]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2010 22:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Savage Minds kan man lese at Avatar fremstår som en slags antropologisk piñata, og det skal jeg ikke krangle på. Fra stund én fanger den meg – ikke bare som en film, men [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Savage Minds kan man lese at Avatar fremstår som en slags antropologisk piñata, og det skal jeg ikke krangle på. Fra stund én fanger den meg – ikke bare som en film, men [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
		<link>/2009/12/24/avatar/comment-page-1/#comment-634957</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jun 2010 14:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[An interesting video blog exploring a plot theme that has been over looked in the Movie.  The person talks about how the movie explores the debate between science and religion  more than anything else. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2pL11fqIj0&#038;playnext_from=TL&#038;videos=5neMgwyaDYE&#038;feature=sub]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An interesting video blog exploring a plot theme that has been over looked in the Movie.  The person talks about how the movie explores the debate between science and religion  more than anything else. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2pL11fqIj0&#038;playnext_from=TL&#038;videos=5neMgwyaDYE&#038;feature=sub" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2pL11fqIj0&#038;playnext_from=TL&#038;videos=5neMgwyaDYE&#038;feature=sub</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ilya</title>
		<link>/2009/12/24/avatar/comment-page-1/#comment-630048</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ilya]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 09:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I saw that film on the flight. Bad for spectacular, but at the same time I am reading &quot;the society of the spectacle&quot;. I am interested in the spectacular part, where we all think that&#039;s not so problematic. 

But so far I haven&#039;t finished the thoughts... I think I should see IMAX 3D and then rethink again. Glad to see the threads, it&#039;s really funny.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw that film on the flight. Bad for spectacular, but at the same time I am reading &#8220;the society of the spectacle&#8221;. I am interested in the spectacular part, where we all think that&#8217;s not so problematic. </p>
<p>But so far I haven&#8217;t finished the thoughts&#8230; I think I should see IMAX 3D and then rethink again. Glad to see the threads, it&#8217;s really funny.</p>
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		<title>By: Avatar and Bougainville?? &#171; trinketization</title>
		<link>/2009/12/24/avatar/comment-page-1/#comment-629394</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Avatar and Bougainville?? &#171; trinketization]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 10:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] <a href="/2009/12/24/avatar/" rel="nofollow">/2009/12/24/avatar/</a> [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Julia</title>
		<link>/2009/12/24/avatar/comment-page-1/#comment-627957</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Julia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And here is Professor Stromberg&#039;s take on Avatar:

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/sex-drugs-and-boredom/201001/why-do-we-long-fictional-worlds]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And here is Professor Stromberg&#8217;s take on Avatar:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/sex-drugs-and-boredom/201001/why-do-we-long-fictional-worlds" rel="nofollow">http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/sex-drugs-and-boredom/201001/why-do-we-long-fictional-worlds</a></p>
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		<title>By: Julia</title>
		<link>/2009/12/24/avatar/comment-page-1/#comment-627956</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Julia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I saw the movie a couple of nights ago and immediately went searching for an anthropological perspective on it, which is how I came upon this excellent discussion. 

I must say I was impressed by the effects, more than I expected to be. I saw it in IMAX 3-D and am curious as to how it would be in normal, flat screen but I&#039;&#039;m not sure I want sit through it again. 

As for the story I was anticipating that it would be simplistic and possibl offensive so I purposely tried to ignore it as much as possible in order to fully enjoy the visual experience. But I have started reflecting on it more now.

Though the story is anything but irrelevant, it&#039;s amazing to me the range of &#039;takes&#039; on it that I have heard from the &#039;general public.&#039; Most people seem so captivated by the effects that they don&#039;t even comment on the story, as if it were simply a vehicle for the visuals. One friend told me that as she was leaving the theater, she overheard a young woman on her cell phone telling someone how totally bored she was by it! Hard to imagine, but just goes to show. 

In any case, what I wanted to add to this discussion is a reference to a book:
CAUGHT IN PLAY: HOW ENTERTAINMENT WORKS ON YOU by Peter G. Stromberg, who is a Professor of Anthropology at the University of Tulsa. His main point being that entertainment does very actively reinforce, and possibly shapes, society&#039;s values and priorities, all the more powerfully since it is often dismissed as having such impact. 

I&#039;ll be looking for his take on Avatar... and I may need to go see it again, just so I can do so from my now more informed perspective! Thanks for this great blog and discussion, Julia]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw the movie a couple of nights ago and immediately went searching for an anthropological perspective on it, which is how I came upon this excellent discussion. </p>
<p>I must say I was impressed by the effects, more than I expected to be. I saw it in IMAX 3-D and am curious as to how it would be in normal, flat screen but I&#8221;m not sure I want sit through it again. </p>
<p>As for the story I was anticipating that it would be simplistic and possibl offensive so I purposely tried to ignore it as much as possible in order to fully enjoy the visual experience. But I have started reflecting on it more now.</p>
<p>Though the story is anything but irrelevant, it&#8217;s amazing to me the range of &#8216;takes&#8217; on it that I have heard from the &#8216;general public.&#8217; Most people seem so captivated by the effects that they don&#8217;t even comment on the story, as if it were simply a vehicle for the visuals. One friend told me that as she was leaving the theater, she overheard a young woman on her cell phone telling someone how totally bored she was by it! Hard to imagine, but just goes to show. </p>
<p>In any case, what I wanted to add to this discussion is a reference to a book:<br />
CAUGHT IN PLAY: HOW ENTERTAINMENT WORKS ON YOU by Peter G. Stromberg, who is a Professor of Anthropology at the University of Tulsa. His main point being that entertainment does very actively reinforce, and possibly shapes, society&#8217;s values and priorities, all the more powerfully since it is often dismissed as having such impact. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll be looking for his take on Avatar&#8230; and I may need to go see it again, just so I can do so from my now more informed perspective! Thanks for this great blog and discussion, Julia</p>
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		<title>By: Ja</title>
		<link>/2009/12/24/avatar/comment-page-1/#comment-627906</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ja]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 19:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[An incredible example of white liberal racism. I&#039;m surprised anyone who calls herself an anthropologist would enjoy it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An incredible example of white liberal racism. I&#8217;m surprised anyone who calls herself an anthropologist would enjoy it.</p>
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		<title>By: Avatar &#171; tammisto julkaisee</title>
		<link>/2009/12/24/avatar/comment-page-1/#comment-627646</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Avatar &#171; tammisto julkaisee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] koko elokuvasta ennen kuin muutaman antropologin pitämässä SavageMinds -blogissa alkoi valtaisa keskustelu aiheesta. Emme (olin siis tuolla villisavelen kera) tosin nähneet elokuvaa 3D:nä, mikä saattoi [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] koko elokuvasta ennen kuin muutaman antropologin pitämässä SavageMinds -blogissa alkoi valtaisa keskustelu aiheesta. Emme (olin siis tuolla villisavelen kera) tosin nähneet elokuvaa 3D:nä, mikä saattoi [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Avatar and Cultural Theory &#171; Fourcultures</title>
		<link>/2009/12/24/avatar/comment-page-1/#comment-627455</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Avatar and Cultural Theory &#171; Fourcultures]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 22:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] inspiration you could look at what the anthropology website Savage Minds had to say about it, or you could read about the four cultures of science fiction and a cultural [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] inspiration you could look at what the anthropology website Savage Minds had to say about it, or you could read about the four cultures of science fiction and a cultural [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Todd</title>
		<link>/2009/12/24/avatar/comment-page-1/#comment-627378</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Todd]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 17:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ MTBradley and John McCreery--thanks for defending some of the honor of the &quot;whorish...applied anthropologists&quot; adn our apparent lack of moral scruples [more of that below].

Musing on Avatar, I agree with the comments about thin plots, etc, but as a movie, I agree with Rex--having worked in a &quot;first contact&quot; and &quot;resource&quot; environment, I enjoyed the theme, even if thin and predictable. Indeed, for me the parallels go farther--having been an anthropologist on a &quot;research&quot; team supporting a bigger resource company and discovering the games played, the power structures, etc. 

_________________________________________
As for the anti-applied comment above...

I AM an applied anthropologist. Like most American-trained anthropologists, I had some disdain for applied work that seemed to be part of the curriculum. HOWEVER, having fallen into applied work after extensive moral deliberation, and I stayed in applied work even though I knew of the toll it would take on the viability of my academic career. I continued to work with an indigenous population--for a mining company--because the indigenous community themselves WANTED ME TO. My pay was significantly less than the rank and file mining worker and not too far off par with academia (of course, living overseas for much of the year had positive tax implications). As REX and KERIM point out above, difficul moral deliberations are part of the real world!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ MTBradley and John McCreery&#8211;thanks for defending some of the honor of the &#8220;whorish&#8230;applied anthropologists&#8221; adn our apparent lack of moral scruples [more of that below].</p>
<p>Musing on Avatar, I agree with the comments about thin plots, etc, but as a movie, I agree with Rex&#8211;having worked in a &#8220;first contact&#8221; and &#8220;resource&#8221; environment, I enjoyed the theme, even if thin and predictable. Indeed, for me the parallels go farther&#8211;having been an anthropologist on a &#8220;research&#8221; team supporting a bigger resource company and discovering the games played, the power structures, etc. </p>
<p>_________________________________________<br />
As for the anti-applied comment above&#8230;</p>
<p>I AM an applied anthropologist. Like most American-trained anthropologists, I had some disdain for applied work that seemed to be part of the curriculum. HOWEVER, having fallen into applied work after extensive moral deliberation, and I stayed in applied work even though I knew of the toll it would take on the viability of my academic career. I continued to work with an indigenous population&#8211;for a mining company&#8211;because the indigenous community themselves WANTED ME TO. My pay was significantly less than the rank and file mining worker and not too far off par with academia (of course, living overseas for much of the year had positive tax implications). As REX and KERIM point out above, difficul moral deliberations are part of the real world!</p>
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		<title>By: Some Avatar musings &#187; Things I am interested in&#8230;</title>
		<link>/2009/12/24/avatar/comment-page-1/#comment-627357</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Some Avatar musings &#187; Things I am interested in&#8230;]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 21:58:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Another interesting take on it. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Another interesting take on it. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Olivia</title>
		<link>/2009/12/24/avatar/comment-page-1/#comment-627354</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Olivia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 17:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What Carl said. In spades.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Carl said. In spades.</p>
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		<title>By: Miss Marple ethnography &#171; Dead Voles</title>
		<link>/2009/12/24/avatar/comment-page-1/#comment-627236</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Miss Marple ethnography &#171; Dead Voles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 07:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] all pantybunched about culture shock anthropology is Otherness for Dummies © &#8212; hunting the Big Splashy Technicolor Other rather than all the little ordinary shades-of-grey others of everyday life. Rutherford all set to [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] all pantybunched about culture shock anthropology is Otherness for Dummies © &#8212; hunting the Big Splashy Technicolor Other rather than all the little ordinary shades-of-grey others of everyday life. Rutherford all set to [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny Cool</title>
		<link>/2009/12/24/avatar/comment-page-1/#comment-627184</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jenny Cool]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 23:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What a great discussion! Thanks for the keen post (Kerim) and these 35 enlightening comments that I find much more engaging and beautiful as cultural productions than the movie in question. As someone concerned with the teleology of disembodiment in imaginaries of the posthuman, I&#039;ll admit I probably would have reacted with the ‘locate, denounce, move on’ mode of analysis Rex identifies, given that doing the movie justice wasn&#039;t high on my priority list. But this thread has been a great reminder that doing our subjects and topics justice, however grand or mean they be, is key to deliberative, enlightened discourse.

Liz Losh at virtualpolitik.net has an &quot;incisive critique&quot;:http://virtualpolitik.blogspot.com/2009/12/avatarded.html of Avatar that gets at many of my concerns, not so much about this particular cinematic text, as the webs of significance, practice, and power in which it is suspended.

A prosperous new year to SM and all your readers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a great discussion! Thanks for the keen post (Kerim) and these 35 enlightening comments that I find much more engaging and beautiful as cultural productions than the movie in question. As someone concerned with the teleology of disembodiment in imaginaries of the posthuman, I&#8217;ll admit I probably would have reacted with the ‘locate, denounce, move on’ mode of analysis Rex identifies, given that doing the movie justice wasn&#8217;t high on my priority list. But this thread has been a great reminder that doing our subjects and topics justice, however grand or mean they be, is key to deliberative, enlightened discourse.</p>
<p>Liz Losh at virtualpolitik.net has an &#8220;incisive critique&#8221;:<a href="http://virtualpolitik.blogspot.com/2009/12/avatarded.html" rel="nofollow">http://virtualpolitik.blogspot.com/2009/12/avatarded.html</a> of Avatar that gets at many of my concerns, not so much about this particular cinematic text, as the webs of significance, practice, and power in which it is suspended.</p>
<p>A prosperous new year to SM and all your readers.</p>
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