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		<title>By: John McCreery</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 00:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What Dustin says sounds right to me, only if, however, we assume that HTS is a problem for Obama in the first place. Given what the man has on his plate, HTS is, I suggest, unlikely to be a high-priority issue for him.

Start with the realization that since Obama the candidate made a point of arguing (1) that he was not against all wars and (2) that the previous administration was fighting the wrong war. Then, and this may have been a mistake, however politically effective, he focused attention on Afghanistan as the place where the right war should be fought. So now he is stuck with a war in a geopolitically important place where, historically, wars have been very hard for outsiders to win. It might be wise to simply walk away, but given everything else he has to deal with, the economy, energy, education, healthcare, a new Supreme Court Justice, bailing and taking the hit for turning out to be just another wimpy liberal is not on. And Pakistan really does have nuclear weapons and really is very close to being a failed state.

So what does this imply? I see Obama as confronting a situation much like the one that Lincoln faced in the early years of the Civil War. I expect to see several generals tried out and then replaced. I expect to see all sorts of experimentation. Best case scenario, some nation-building scheme works out; but that seems unlikely. I expect to see lots of failure and lots of grief until Obama finds his Grant and Sherman, when things will get really bloody. 

I hate this possible outcome and it could, of course, be nothing more than dark fantasy. But even in the best case, the notion that HTS is a burning issue for Obama strikes me as more than a little far-fetched.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Dustin says sounds right to me, only if, however, we assume that HTS is a problem for Obama in the first place. Given what the man has on his plate, HTS is, I suggest, unlikely to be a high-priority issue for him.</p>
<p>Start with the realization that since Obama the candidate made a point of arguing (1) that he was not against all wars and (2) that the previous administration was fighting the wrong war. Then, and this may have been a mistake, however politically effective, he focused attention on Afghanistan as the place where the right war should be fought. So now he is stuck with a war in a geopolitically important place where, historically, wars have been very hard for outsiders to win. It might be wise to simply walk away, but given everything else he has to deal with, the economy, energy, education, healthcare, a new Supreme Court Justice, bailing and taking the hit for turning out to be just another wimpy liberal is not on. And Pakistan really does have nuclear weapons and really is very close to being a failed state.</p>
<p>So what does this imply? I see Obama as confronting a situation much like the one that Lincoln faced in the early years of the Civil War. I expect to see several generals tried out and then replaced. I expect to see all sorts of experimentation. Best case scenario, some nation-building scheme works out; but that seems unlikely. I expect to see lots of failure and lots of grief until Obama finds his Grant and Sherman, when things will get really bloody. </p>
<p>I hate this possible outcome and it could, of course, be nothing more than dark fantasy. But even in the best case, the notion that HTS is a burning issue for Obama strikes me as more than a little far-fetched.</p>
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		<title>By: Dustin (Oneman)</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 16:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[James: It&#039;s an interesting question. The problem facing Obama may well be political -- HTS has been very effectively framed by the Army (with articles in the NYTimes, appearances by Petraeus on the night show circuit, etc.) as a way of reducing violence and saving lives. That the lives saved are ostensibly people that we would kill but might not if counterinsurgency works is obscured. The point is, to pull back from counterinsurgency the way it is currently framed would be easily spun as condoning the killing of civilians -- a tough spot for a president who is popular only among citizens and not so much among the power apparatus he relies on to get anything done.

I&#039;m not saying Obama wants to but can&#039;t; I&#039;m saying that there&#039;s little reason to suppose that he wouldn&#039;t buy into the promise of counterinsurgency as easily as anyone else, especially when it&#039;s in his political interest to do so.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James: It&#8217;s an interesting question. The problem facing Obama may well be political &#8212; HTS has been very effectively framed by the Army (with articles in the NYTimes, appearances by Petraeus on the night show circuit, etc.) as a way of reducing violence and saving lives. That the lives saved are ostensibly people that we would kill but might not if counterinsurgency works is obscured. The point is, to pull back from counterinsurgency the way it is currently framed would be easily spun as condoning the killing of civilians &#8212; a tough spot for a president who is popular only among citizens and not so much among the power apparatus he relies on to get anything done.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying Obama wants to but can&#8217;t; I&#8217;m saying that there&#8217;s little reason to suppose that he wouldn&#8217;t buy into the promise of counterinsurgency as easily as anyone else, especially when it&#8217;s in his political interest to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 15:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Dahr Jamail piece questioning anthropologists and Human Terrain and counterinsurgency development projects raises new questions about what the hell we are trying to do in Afghanistan. I hadn&#039;t made the connection between Obama&#039;s mama and HTS in this way: &quot;I am left to wonder how anthropologist Ann Dunham, Barack Obama&#039;s mother, would have reacted to her son&#039;s reliance on such clearly unethical anthropological means to achieve political ends so aligned with neocolonialist goals of occupation and subjugation?&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Dahr Jamail piece questioning anthropologists and Human Terrain and counterinsurgency development projects raises new questions about what the hell we are trying to do in Afghanistan. I hadn&#8217;t made the connection between Obama&#8217;s mama and HTS in this way: &#8220;I am left to wonder how anthropologist Ann Dunham, Barack Obama&#8217;s mother, would have reacted to her son&#8217;s reliance on such clearly unethical anthropological means to achieve political ends so aligned with neocolonialist goals of occupation and subjugation?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Brian E</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian E]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 13:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A related &quot;reality check&quot; occurred last year: http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/mar/27/conservation.realitytv]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A related &#8220;reality check&#8221; occurred last year: <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/mar/27/conservation.realitytv" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/mar/27/conservation.realitytv</a></p>
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