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		<title>By: Roger Ekirch</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roger Ekirch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 02:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would like to express my appreciation for the very kind comments about my book.  Yes, it did consume innumerable hours, but the topic held my fascination until the final six months or so.  Actually, I have a new book coming out in January that is altogether different from &quot;At Day&#039;s Close.&quot;  Entitled &quot;Birthright: The True Story of the Kidnapping of Jemmy Annesley&quot;, it recounts the real-life saga that inspired Robert Louis Stevenson&#039;s novel, &quot;Kidnapped&#039;  Set mostly in eighteenth-century Ireland, it&#039;s a tale of betrayal and loss but also survival, resilience, and redemption.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to express my appreciation for the very kind comments about my book.  Yes, it did consume innumerable hours, but the topic held my fascination until the final six months or so.  Actually, I have a new book coming out in January that is altogether different from &#8220;At Day&#8217;s Close.&#8221;  Entitled &#8220;Birthright: The True Story of the Kidnapping of Jemmy Annesley&#8221;, it recounts the real-life saga that inspired Robert Louis Stevenson&#8217;s novel, &#8220;Kidnapped&#8217;  Set mostly in eighteenth-century Ireland, it&#8217;s a tale of betrayal and loss but also survival, resilience, and redemption.</p>
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		<title>By: ckelty</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ckelty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[it strikes me that Twitter is not an online communications medium, which was what I got from the NYT article by Clive Thompson.  I think rather, that we need to unearth our Proxemics; apply a little bit of Edward T. Hall or Erving Goffman to it: it&#039;s about re-creating and extending the phatic online.  It&#039;s the online equivalent of &#039;uh-huh, i&#039;m listening&#039;-- even if you aren&#039;t.  No?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it strikes me that Twitter is not an online communications medium, which was what I got from the NYT article by Clive Thompson.  I think rather, that we need to unearth our Proxemics; apply a little bit of Edward T. Hall or Erving Goffman to it: it&#8217;s about re-creating and extending the phatic online.  It&#8217;s the online equivalent of &#8216;uh-huh, i&#8217;m listening&#8217;&#8211; even if you aren&#8217;t.  No?</p>
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		<title>By: SlowWriter</title>
		<link>/2008/12/15/the-long-and-the-short-of-it/comment-page-1/#comment-546864</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SlowWriter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Rex,

Long and short or fast and slow?  As a slow writer myself, I wonder if the fantasy is really the long romantic quest, or rather the genius to be able to write *lots of* beautiful books.   Certainly, that is what I wish for in my Christmas stocking.  I think we can all write well if we take forever to do it, and we can all write poorly if we rush; the fantasy is to write profoundly *and* prolifically.  So don&#039;t we all find the balance between the vision and the possible that our lives can tolerate?  And don&#039;t we all have regrets for the book that could have been, or the book that will be &quot;someday, somewhere, somehow&quot;?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Rex,</p>
<p>Long and short or fast and slow?  As a slow writer myself, I wonder if the fantasy is really the long romantic quest, or rather the genius to be able to write *lots of* beautiful books.   Certainly, that is what I wish for in my Christmas stocking.  I think we can all write well if we take forever to do it, and we can all write poorly if we rush; the fantasy is to write profoundly *and* prolifically.  So don&#8217;t we all find the balance between the vision and the possible that our lives can tolerate?  And don&#8217;t we all have regrets for the book that could have been, or the book that will be &#8220;someday, somewhere, somehow&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Kerim</title>
		<link>/2008/12/15/the-long-and-the-short-of-it/comment-page-1/#comment-546648</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kerim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@kethryvis you can set Twitter to hide replies to people you aren&#039;t following.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@kethryvis you can set Twitter to hide replies to people you aren&#8217;t following.</p>
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		<title>By: Rex</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 06:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, to be fair this post takes liberties with Twitter (which I don&#039;t appreciate but which I don&#039;t actually think is &#039;fucking retarded&#039;) and Ekirch (who is of course the solitary figure in my fantasy of him). I was just trying to make a point that both ends of the spectrum are unappetizing to me in ways I hadn&#039;t thought about previously, and that this fact was brought home through a curious juxtaposition that just happened in my life.

I actually did have 1 good thing to say about Twitter in my post but I didn&#039;t say it but now we have a whole thread going so maybe I will post it as a separate piece.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, to be fair this post takes liberties with Twitter (which I don&#8217;t appreciate but which I don&#8217;t actually think is &#8216;fucking retarded&#8217;) and Ekirch (who is of course the solitary figure in my fantasy of him). I was just trying to make a point that both ends of the spectrum are unappetizing to me in ways I hadn&#8217;t thought about previously, and that this fact was brought home through a curious juxtaposition that just happened in my life.</p>
<p>I actually did have 1 good thing to say about Twitter in my post but I didn&#8217;t say it but now we have a whole thread going so maybe I will post it as a separate piece.</p>
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		<title>By: kethryvis</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kethryvis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 05:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i have to say that i disagree with kerim&#039;s comment about twitter being &quot;irc for the rest of us.&quot; i&#039;m an irc&#039;er myself... i don&#039;t see it.  the thing that drives me crazy is the IM nature that twitter takes for some of my friends.

say friend a is tweeting about this, that, thus, and such, and starts tweeting back and forth with her friend b. say b has her twitterpage locked down so only friends can read it. i don&#039;t know b, i don&#039;t have her friended, so i can&#039;t read her tweets, right?. so i&#039;m only seeing one half of the conversation which is... obnoxious to say the least.  (the majority of my twitter exposure, i admit, are those of my friends who insist exporting their tweets to their livejournals, so talk about really only seeing one half of the conversation...)  in irc, everyone is seeing what everyone is saying (unless it&#039;s in /msg), and to me is a much more open dialogue.  

and too there&#039;s that whole asynchronous bit.  which has its moments, i agree.  but if  i want to have a dialogue about something... 140 characters ain&#039;t gonna cut it. i&#039;ve seen friends use two or three tweets to get across one idea.  why limit yourself? i&#039;m all for being concise, but there is such thing as too concise!

(besides, the irc character limit is... well, more than 140 characters!)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i have to say that i disagree with kerim&#8217;s comment about twitter being &#8220;irc for the rest of us.&#8221; i&#8217;m an irc&#8217;er myself&#8230; i don&#8217;t see it.  the thing that drives me crazy is the IM nature that twitter takes for some of my friends.</p>
<p>say friend a is tweeting about this, that, thus, and such, and starts tweeting back and forth with her friend b. say b has her twitterpage locked down so only friends can read it. i don&#8217;t know b, i don&#8217;t have her friended, so i can&#8217;t read her tweets, right?. so i&#8217;m only seeing one half of the conversation which is&#8230; obnoxious to say the least.  (the majority of my twitter exposure, i admit, are those of my friends who insist exporting their tweets to their livejournals, so talk about really only seeing one half of the conversation&#8230;)  in irc, everyone is seeing what everyone is saying (unless it&#8217;s in /msg), and to me is a much more open dialogue.  </p>
<p>and too there&#8217;s that whole asynchronous bit.  which has its moments, i agree.  but if  i want to have a dialogue about something&#8230; 140 characters ain&#8217;t gonna cut it. i&#8217;ve seen friends use two or three tweets to get across one idea.  why limit yourself? i&#8217;m all for being concise, but there is such thing as too concise!</p>
<p>(besides, the irc character limit is&#8230; well, more than 140 characters!)</p>
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		<title>By: Denice Szafran</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Denice Szafran]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 02:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Twitter is another social tool, and all tools are what you make of them. Besides watching the tweet updates from live-time around the world previously mentioned (Mumbai, Thailand, Taipei), I have used Twitter in my classroom during our rendition of Mike Wesch&#039;s World Simulation. Yes, it is a giant universal SMS, but if you operate with that as a premise, Twitter can expand our ways of knowing and seeing. I like the idea that it can be used as distance live communication between large numbers of people.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Twitter is another social tool, and all tools are what you make of them. Besides watching the tweet updates from live-time around the world previously mentioned (Mumbai, Thailand, Taipei), I have used Twitter in my classroom during our rendition of Mike Wesch&#8217;s World Simulation. Yes, it is a giant universal SMS, but if you operate with that as a premise, Twitter can expand our ways of knowing and seeing. I like the idea that it can be used as distance live communication between large numbers of people.</p>
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		<title>By: Kerim</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kerim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Twitter is basically IRC for the rest of us. And I know you like IRC ... The main difference being that, most of the time, Twitter is asynchronous. (Which is what makes me like it better than IRC.) But it is also quite interesting when it stops being asynchronous as well: such as during the presidential debates, the Mumbai attacks, the Wild Strawberry protests in Taipei, back-channel discussion during conferences, knowing when people you know have arrived in your neck of the woods, breaking news stories, etc. The open nature of Twitter allows for this multiplicity of uses in a way that IRC chat rooms do not. (Not to mention all the APIs built on top of Twitter which allow for even more services and tools.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Twitter is basically IRC for the rest of us. And I know you like IRC &#8230; The main difference being that, most of the time, Twitter is asynchronous. (Which is what makes me like it better than IRC.) But it is also quite interesting when it stops being asynchronous as well: such as during the presidential debates, the Mumbai attacks, the Wild Strawberry protests in Taipei, back-channel discussion during conferences, knowing when people you know have arrived in your neck of the woods, breaking news stories, etc. The open nature of Twitter allows for this multiplicity of uses in a way that IRC chat rooms do not. (Not to mention all the APIs built on top of Twitter which allow for even more services and tools.)</p>
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		<title>By: yoni</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[yoni]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[yes with an if, no with a but - how about twittering during the bombay attack couple of weeks ago? it was pretty amazing, and much more informative, than any other media sources.  blog eventually caught up, and the major media to blogs.  twitter blows big time, but you can&#039;t argue that it has no place in the ethnographic milieu; especially coming from a discipline where we prize what people are saying about their lives and experiences as real and valuable knowledge.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes with an if, no with a but &#8211; how about twittering during the bombay attack couple of weeks ago? it was pretty amazing, and much more informative, than any other media sources.  blog eventually caught up, and the major media to blogs.  twitter blows big time, but you can&#8217;t argue that it has no place in the ethnographic milieu; especially coming from a discipline where we prize what people are saying about their lives and experiences as real and valuable knowledge.</p>
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		<title>By: L.L. Wynn</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[L.L. Wynn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I want your waffle recipe.  Seriously.  

I just checked Ekirch&#039;s online CV and it doesn&#039;t look like he spent 20 years in romantic isolation, doing nothing but scouring archives for stuff about night, the hopeless eccentric dismissed by his peers.  He&#039;s written 2 other books in 1981 and 1990, won prizes for an article and two prizes for &quot;outstanding faculty&quot; member.  He was a Guggenheim fellow in 1998 and a director of the National Endowment for the Humanities Summer Seminar for School Teachers in 1995.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want your waffle recipe.  Seriously.  </p>
<p>I just checked Ekirch&#8217;s online CV and it doesn&#8217;t look like he spent 20 years in romantic isolation, doing nothing but scouring archives for stuff about night, the hopeless eccentric dismissed by his peers.  He&#8217;s written 2 other books in 1981 and 1990, won prizes for an article and two prizes for &#8220;outstanding faculty&#8221; member.  He was a Guggenheim fellow in 1998 and a director of the National Endowment for the Humanities Summer Seminar for School Teachers in 1995.</p>
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		<title>By: kethryvis</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kethryvis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[bless you. I hate twitter too. I&#039;ve gotten into heated debates over friends who Twitter.  I say I hate it and it&#039;s a waste of the internet. They whine at me that it is nooooooooooooot. I say it is.

1) There&#039;s no content in 160 characters of banality (there&#039;s no &quot;there&quot; there)
2) Half of the tweets my friends tweet are replies to other people, which means I am basically reading half of an IM conversation... just get onto the IM client of your choice and have your conversation plz. Leave me out of it.  
3) the only way to comment is to tweet about it yourself, which again starts the whole IM-ness of the situation.  how can you start a dialogue? what&#039;s the bloody point?  at least if you&#039;re going to blog about your waffle recipe, i can chime in in a comment that *everyone* can see why i think it&#039;s crap, or how i&#039;d alter it.  I&#039;d rather see my friends have a dialogue about my postings than just blast them off into the ether where they may or may not get read.  In fact, not getting comments on posts in my LJ makes me a sad panda.
Dialogue. It&#039;s not just for novels and movies anymore.

Thank you. I&#039;m so glad to see I am not alone in my twitterhated state.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bless you. I hate twitter too. I&#8217;ve gotten into heated debates over friends who Twitter.  I say I hate it and it&#8217;s a waste of the internet. They whine at me that it is nooooooooooooot. I say it is.</p>
<p>1) There&#8217;s no content in 160 characters of banality (there&#8217;s no &#8220;there&#8221; there)<br />
2) Half of the tweets my friends tweet are replies to other people, which means I am basically reading half of an IM conversation&#8230; just get onto the IM client of your choice and have your conversation plz. Leave me out of it.<br />
3) the only way to comment is to tweet about it yourself, which again starts the whole IM-ness of the situation.  how can you start a dialogue? what&#8217;s the bloody point?  at least if you&#8217;re going to blog about your waffle recipe, i can chime in in a comment that *everyone* can see why i think it&#8217;s crap, or how i&#8217;d alter it.  I&#8217;d rather see my friends have a dialogue about my postings than just blast them off into the ether where they may or may not get read.  In fact, not getting comments on posts in my LJ makes me a sad panda.<br />
Dialogue. It&#8217;s not just for novels and movies anymore.</p>
<p>Thank you. I&#8217;m so glad to see I am not alone in my twitterhated state.</p>
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