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		<title>By: Kerim</title>
		<link>/2006/09/12/race-to-the-bottom-anthropology-websites-in-comparative-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-28479</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kerim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:47:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry about that. After working for a while, Akismet seems to be flaky this past month. Hopefully it will be fixed. Still, I prefer to use a system which lets through some spam that has to be deleted manually over one that blocks lots of legitimate comments which have to be approved manually (as was the case with Spam Karma).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry about that. After working for a while, Akismet seems to be flaky this past month. Hopefully it will be fixed. Still, I prefer to use a system which lets through some spam that has to be deleted manually over one that blocks lots of legitimate comments which have to be approved manually (as was the case with Spam Karma).</p>
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		<title>By: Oneman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Oneman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Sep 2006 23:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tim -- are you maligning our new content strategy? Wait til we unveil our new slogan: &quot;Come for the incisive commentary on neo-liberalism, stay for the animal porn!&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim &#8212; are you maligning our new content strategy? Wait til we unveil our new slogan: &#8220;Come for the incisive commentary on neo-liberalism, stay for the animal porn!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Sep 2006 22:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I liked the comments on SM so much I subscribed to the comments feed. But I quit that a while ago because of the spam. There&#039;s a limit to the invitations to nefarious porn a guy can handle. Reading about feasibility one minute and farm animals the next made for an interesting community though - like GTA:Stanford.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I liked the comments on SM so much I subscribed to the comments feed. But I quit that a while ago because of the spam. There&#8217;s a limit to the invitations to nefarious porn a guy can handle. Reading about feasibility one minute and farm animals the next made for an interesting community though &#8211; like GTA:Stanford.</p>
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		<title>By: Rex</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Sep 2006 01:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh also -- I forgot to mention this but must give props to &quot;Matter Out Of Place&quot;:http://www.matteroutofplace.org/ as well, who are doing good stuff but didn&#039;t get listed in the post above.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh also &#8212; I forgot to mention this but must give props to &#8220;Matter Out Of Place&#8221;:<a href="http://www.matteroutofplace.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.matteroutofplace.org/</a> as well, who are doing good stuff but didn&#8217;t get listed in the post above.</p>
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		<title>By: ckelty</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ckelty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Sep 2006 00:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[apropos of strategies for building a blog readership: this &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.lifebeyondcode.com/blog/_archives/2005/11/2/1338197.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;list &lt;/a&gt; has lots of good suggestions, most of which SM has followed already]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>apropos of strategies for building a blog readership: this <a href="http://blog.lifebeyondcode.com/blog/_archives/2005/11/2/1338197.html" rel="nofollow">list </a> has lots of good suggestions, most of which SM has followed already</p>
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		<title>By: ckelty</title>
		<link>/2006/09/12/race-to-the-bottom-anthropology-websites-in-comparative-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-27573</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ckelty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[so who&#039;s in third place? ;)  (it ain&#039;t me...)

I certainly agree that it isn&#039;t the volume of posts that makes the difference (though filling in the dead air time is obviously crucial to keeping people interested) but the proof is in the comment pudding...

I also think, apropos of CulAnth.org, that &quot;building a virtual community&quot; (or even an anthropological noosphere) should not be the goal.  I think the blog format, as we have discovered in various ways, facilitates only a narrow band of possible interactions.  There have to be other ways if we want our technophobic colleagues to participate

Here is my idea du jour...

1.  new structures for responding to/evaluating a text--ie. more than just &lt;text&gt; followed by &lt;raft of threaded comments&gt;.  Again, much depends on what authors might perceive as valuable, and I would suspect that it would be more likely that &quot;workshopping&quot; would be more valuable than having to endlessly respond to questions about a published article (I know I would give up after about a week).  How about a system where the editors pick articles that are worth publishing--but don&#039;t make the cut, and that the authors are willing to have &quot;workshopped&quot; and do that on the website.  I can even imagine a kind of &quot;submit your article to be workshopped&quot; kind of thing.... and a list of possible papers that you could sign up to respond to.  It doesn&#039;t have to be fully public, people could sign up to be workshoppers.&lt;/raft&gt;&lt;/text&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so who&#8217;s in third place? 😉  (it ain&#8217;t me&#8230;)</p>
<p>I certainly agree that it isn&#8217;t the volume of posts that makes the difference (though filling in the dead air time is obviously crucial to keeping people interested) but the proof is in the comment pudding&#8230;</p>
<p>I also think, apropos of CulAnth.org, that &#8220;building a virtual community&#8221; (or even an anthropological noosphere) should not be the goal.  I think the blog format, as we have discovered in various ways, facilitates only a narrow band of possible interactions.  There have to be other ways if we want our technophobic colleagues to participate</p>
<p>Here is my idea du jour&#8230;</p>
<p>1.  new structures for responding to/evaluating a text&#8211;ie. more than just <text> followed by <raft of threaded comments>.  Again, much depends on what authors might perceive as valuable, and I would suspect that it would be more likely that &#8220;workshopping&#8221; would be more valuable than having to endlessly respond to questions about a published article (I know I would give up after about a week).  How about a system where the editors pick articles that are worth publishing&#8211;but don&#8217;t make the cut, and that the authors are willing to have &#8220;workshopped&#8221; and do that on the website.  I can even imagine a kind of &#8220;submit your article to be workshopped&#8221; kind of thing&#8230;. and a list of possible papers that you could sign up to respond to.  It doesn&#8217;t have to be fully public, people could sign up to be workshoppers.</raft></text></p>
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		<title>By: Rex</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kerim makes a good point -- SM has 528 posts (including all guest bloggers, etc. etc.) but over FOUR THOUSAND comments -- it&#039;s the community&#039;s ability to enlighten, entertain, and enrage each other that ensures that SM keeps getting read and written.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kerim makes a good point &#8212; SM has 528 posts (including all guest bloggers, etc. etc.) but over FOUR THOUSAND comments &#8212; it&#8217;s the community&#8217;s ability to enlighten, entertain, and enrage each other that ensures that SM keeps getting read and written.</p>
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		<title>By: Kerim</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kerim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Sep 2006 06:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just for the record: I\&#039;ve written 20 more posts than Rex. But whose counting? :)

Seriously though - it is hard work. But I also think we should look at the number of comments we\&#039;ve had on those posts. It takes a lot to build a community! ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just for the record: I\&#8217;ve written 20 more posts than Rex. But whose counting? 🙂</p>
<p>Seriously though &#8211; it is hard work. But I also think we should look at the number of comments we\&#8217;ve had on those posts. It takes a lot to build a community! </p>
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		<title>By: Rex</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Sep 2006 01:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think it _is_ interesting to compare them to other attempts to create anthro-centric websites because there _is_ a history there for those of us who know it. 

I wish them well but agree with oneman -- it is one thing to fear &#039;keeping it underwraps&#039; for too long, but another to launch the site (unofficially or no) with a colorscheme that is almost enough to make the eyes bleed. It fails to establish the site&#039;s &#039;brand&#039; as being related to Cultural Anthropology The Journal in look and feel (as the old SCA site does) -- there are little things like that that would really help. I understand that it is hard to time the release of these things, but I agree with Oneman: at this stage it is too easy for the average reader to confuse lack of polish with lack of ability and that&#039;s not the message you want to send at this stage of the game, I think.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it _is_ interesting to compare them to other attempts to create anthro-centric websites because there _is_ a history there for those of us who know it. </p>
<p>I wish them well but agree with oneman &#8212; it is one thing to fear &#8216;keeping it underwraps&#8217; for too long, but another to launch the site (unofficially or no) with a colorscheme that is almost enough to make the eyes bleed. It fails to establish the site&#8217;s &#8216;brand&#8217; as being related to Cultural Anthropology The Journal in look and feel (as the old SCA site does) &#8212; there are little things like that that would really help. I understand that it is hard to time the release of these things, but I agree with Oneman: at this stage it is too easy for the average reader to confuse lack of polish with lack of ability and that&#8217;s not the message you want to send at this stage of the game, I think.</p>
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		<title>By: oneman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[oneman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2006 22:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[AFter having read the responses from the site&#039;s organizers, I actually feel a lot better about what they&#039;re doing -- they just need to get cracking on content.  In my own experiences with trying to build a critical mass at a Big-Name Old-Money Foundation, I&#039;ve found first-hand how difficult it can be to &quot;sell&quot; online community to academics and professionals -- especially when the rewards are quite ephemeral and difficult to quantify.  Sure, engaging in a discussion about the latest anthropological ideas might be personally rewarding, but will it get me tenure? Will it get my manuscript published? Will it get my research funded? 

I&#039;m not saying that culanth.org should do all that -- and I certainly (and perhaps obviously) don&#039;t believe SM should do all that -- but we&#039;re early adopters (in the anthro world, at least).  Most of the SM&#039;ers were playing around with this stuff just for fun before we ever decided to make it part of our anthropological &quot;work&quot;.  Becaus of that, we&#039;ve been willing to put in a lot of work, both in writing but also in thinking about direction, seeking out interesting guests and new members, identifying interesting topics to discuss, working out how to best organize and present this material, spreading the word about the site, and so on -- as opposed to, say, AnthroCommons, which seems to have been put up and left to sink or swim. I mistook culanth.org&#039;s unfinishedness for a lack of that work, so some of my earlier criticisms were unfounded.  I am hoping that they&#039;ll have learned something from both AnthroCommons and SM -- and that they have a few ideas of their own that *we* can learn something from.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AFter having read the responses from the site&#8217;s organizers, I actually feel a lot better about what they&#8217;re doing &#8212; they just need to get cracking on content.  In my own experiences with trying to build a critical mass at a Big-Name Old-Money Foundation, I&#8217;ve found first-hand how difficult it can be to &#8220;sell&#8221; online community to academics and professionals &#8212; especially when the rewards are quite ephemeral and difficult to quantify.  Sure, engaging in a discussion about the latest anthropological ideas might be personally rewarding, but will it get me tenure? Will it get my manuscript published? Will it get my research funded? </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying that culanth.org should do all that &#8212; and I certainly (and perhaps obviously) don&#8217;t believe SM should do all that &#8212; but we&#8217;re early adopters (in the anthro world, at least).  Most of the SM&#8217;ers were playing around with this stuff just for fun before we ever decided to make it part of our anthropological &#8220;work&#8221;.  Becaus of that, we&#8217;ve been willing to put in a lot of work, both in writing but also in thinking about direction, seeking out interesting guests and new members, identifying interesting topics to discuss, working out how to best organize and present this material, spreading the word about the site, and so on &#8212; as opposed to, say, AnthroCommons, which seems to have been put up and left to sink or swim. I mistook culanth.org&#8217;s unfinishedness for a lack of that work, so some of my earlier criticisms were unfounded.  I am hoping that they&#8217;ll have learned something from both AnthroCommons and SM &#8212; and that they have a few ideas of their own that *we* can learn something from.</p>
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		<title>By: codonnell</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[codonnell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2006 21:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It helps being Blizzard too.

I don&#039;t think keeping culanth.org under wraps is/would have been a good idea. We&#039;d have had to keep the same old site (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.aaanet.org/sca/ca&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.aaanet.org/sca/ca&lt;/a&gt;) in the mean time, and with so many things changing, it just didn&#039;t seem to make sense.

Waiting until its all done isn&#039;t always the best idea, then you don&#039;t get much feedback till it&#039;s too late. Then again, Apple likes your philosophy, and perhaps we&#039;ve pulled a M.S. Vista. I&#039;ll hope not.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It helps being Blizzard too.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think keeping culanth.org under wraps is/would have been a good idea. We&#8217;d have had to keep the same old site (<a href="http://www.aaanet.org/sca/ca" rel="nofollow">http://www.aaanet.org/sca/ca</a>) in the mean time, and with so many things changing, it just didn&#8217;t seem to make sense.</p>
<p>Waiting until its all done isn&#8217;t always the best idea, then you don&#8217;t get much feedback till it&#8217;s too late. Then again, Apple likes your philosophy, and perhaps we&#8217;ve pulled a M.S. Vista. I&#8217;ll hope not.</p>
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		<title>By: Rex</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2006 21:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well in WoW&#039;s case (and in the case of many other &#039;permanent beta&#039; sites) &#039;beta&#039; just means &#039;advertising for a final pay version of the site&#039; whether &#039;pay&#039; means &#039;acquisition by Yahoo&#039; or &#039;monthly fees for playing&#039;. The WoW beta rocked, and WoW staued in &#039;beta&#039; for an incredibly long time. 

This is the problem with declaring a website &#039;beta&#039; at its most crucial stage -- up-take by early adoptors and the word of mouth that results. There used to be a long entry about this somewhere on 37Signals or something but I can&#039;t find it now. It&#039;s got to look good and work reasonably well right out of the gate, or else it needs to be kept under wraps.

I too hope that pairing a well-known journal with a website is a good idea, but you really can&#039;t ride on CA&#039;s reputation, mostly because the space you are moving into is so different from the one that CA operates in... but overall this is not to take anything away from you guys, it&#039;s just to speculate on what might happen...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well in WoW&#8217;s case (and in the case of many other &#8216;permanent beta&#8217; sites) &#8216;beta&#8217; just means &#8216;advertising for a final pay version of the site&#8217; whether &#8216;pay&#8217; means &#8216;acquisition by Yahoo&#8217; or &#8216;monthly fees for playing&#8217;. The WoW beta rocked, and WoW staued in &#8216;beta&#8217; for an incredibly long time. </p>
<p>This is the problem with declaring a website &#8216;beta&#8217; at its most crucial stage &#8212; up-take by early adoptors and the word of mouth that results. There used to be a long entry about this somewhere on 37Signals or something but I can&#8217;t find it now. It&#8217;s got to look good and work reasonably well right out of the gate, or else it needs to be kept under wraps.</p>
<p>I too hope that pairing a well-known journal with a website is a good idea, but you really can&#8217;t ride on CA&#8217;s reputation, mostly because the space you are moving into is so different from the one that CA operates in&#8230; but overall this is not to take anything away from you guys, it&#8217;s just to speculate on what might happen&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: codonnell</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[codonnell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2006 21:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One can hope that the pairing with one of anthropologies premerier journals and this site will amount to something. I believe the goal is to exceed the space offered by the journal. The opportunities are there, it is now our (the journal staff, readers, authors) responsibility to make it relevant. Give things some time... Even &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.penny-arcade.com&quot;/ rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Penny Arcade&lt;/a&gt; wasn&#039;t born overnight, and nor was World of Warcraft (games are ... of a particular interest to me). Certainly it&#039;s a game developers greatest nightmare when folks get to see a &quot;beta&quot; version of a game, and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.culanth.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.culanth.org&lt;/a&gt; is definitely still in beta.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One can hope that the pairing with one of anthropologies premerier journals and this site will amount to something. I believe the goal is to exceed the space offered by the journal. The opportunities are there, it is now our (the journal staff, readers, authors) responsibility to make it relevant. Give things some time&#8230; Even <a href="http://www.penny-arcade.com/" rel="nofollow">Penny Arcade</a> wasn&#8217;t born overnight, and nor was World of Warcraft (games are &#8230; of a particular interest to me). Certainly it&#8217;s a game developers greatest nightmare when folks get to see a &#8220;beta&#8221; version of a game, and <a href="http://www.culanth.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.culanth.org/</a> is definitely still in beta.</p>
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