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		<title>By: Kennewick: A Dissenting View &#171; Afarensis: Anthropology, Evolution, and Science</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Hawks has posted some interesting thoughts on Kennewick. Pharyngula, Keat&#8217;s Telescope and  Savage Minds have all linked to it. Much as I like, and have learned from, Hawks&#8217; blog I have to disagree [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Hawks has posted some interesting thoughts on Kennewick. Pharyngula, Keat&#8217;s Telescope and  Savage Minds have all linked to it. Much as I like, and have learned from, Hawks&#8217; blog I have to disagree [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: afarensis: Anthropology, Evolution and Science: July 2005</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] John Hawks has posted some interesting thoughts on Kennewick. Pharyngula, Keat&#039;s Telescope and  Savage Minds have all linked to it. Much as I like, and have learned from, Hawks&#039; blog I have to disagree with his view on the subject. The gist of Hawks&#039; post is that the new studies are essentially the same as the studies done prior to the court battle. In other words the new studies are essentially fact checking. He also doesn&#039;t like the way the new studies are being portrayed. The press is portraying the new studies as if these were the first on Kennewick (I agree with Hawks&#039; on this point). Regular readers of this blog already know that there have been some studies of the Kennewick material. I have discussed some of those studies - and some of the problems with them  here. Let me say at this point that previous investigations were hampered by restrictions placed on them by the conservators of the skeletal material. So let&#039;s start by comparing what has already been done with what the plaintiff&#039;s in the lawsuit are proposing to do. The plan of study can be found here.As is standard procedure, they start with an inventory of the skeletal material. This may sound like simple fact checking but in this instance it is needed. As the proposal points out:Among other things, there are unresolved differences between the records compiled by Dr. Owsley in October 1998 and the records compiled during the studies conducted by the National Park Service (“NPS”) in 1999. In addition, identifications of bone fragments have not been finalized. For example, the number and specific identification of all ribs (or rib fragments) recovered at the discovery site have not been determined. The inventory to be conducted during plaintiffs’ study session will attempt to resolve these and other bone identification and assignment questions.The next step will be assembly and reconstruction of the skeletal material:The cranium, mandible and selected postcranial bones will be reconstructed using Acryloid B-72. Some of the postcranial bones to be reconstructed are: both humeri, both femora, both tibiae and the right fibula. In addition, the right innominate and those ribs displaying pathological conditions will be reconstructed if doing so will aid in other investigations of the skeleton.As I mentioned in my previous post, this type of reconstruction was not allowed:Given the conservators&#039; concerns regarding the use of permanent adhesives and consolidants, we elected to refit postcranial elements and maintain the stability of fragments by hand.Which led to:Prior to reconstruction of the cranium, all individual pieces of maxilla, mandible, zygomatics, and the neurocranium were measured by Powell (see Methods below). Facial bone fragments were refit by Powell and Odegaard, with input and assessment by Rose throughout the day-long process. Several times during the reconstruction process, pieces were removed, refit, and reattached to provide the best possible alignment of fragments. Clearly a difficult situation.Once the basics are out of the way there are 14 different analysis planned. Ranging from some of the more basic stuff (taphonomic and pathological assessment of the skeleton, age, gender, stature) to some more esoteric stuff:Three dimensional coordinate data of the cranium will be collected using an electronic digitizer to record the x, y and z coordinates of each point touched. These data will be supplemented with measurements taken by hand instruments for those areas of the cranium (such as the mandible) not adequately measured by the digitizer.Why is this important?Coordinate data provide much finer characterization of morphology and allow explicit comparisons of shape. It is also possible to increase visual appreciation of variation by using wire frame models of skulls obtained by connecting landmarks. Coordinate data also allow computation of non-standard measurements, which may provide greater insights into variation among early American crania and between early and later American crania. It goes without saying that this has not yet been done on the Kennewick cranium.Another interesting study proposed is the laser scanning of the skull and other elements:The purpose of the laser scan is to obtain and record accurate 3D models of the shapes of the skull and other scanned bones. Such models can be used in a variety of ways including the following: (a) to verify measurements and other data obtained by other investigators; (b) to provide data for adjusting measurements of the skull or other bones to compensate for any postmortem deformation or damage; (c) to visually compare the skull with skulls of other prehistoric (and modern) individuals; (d) to produce casts of the skull and other scanned bones. The data obtained will be recorded in a coordinate based STL file that can be archived in industry-standard formats for access by future investigators.Also not done by NPS scientists.They are also considering stable isotope analysis which can give information on whether they were eating terrestrial vs marine animals and what types of plants were being consumed. This analysis is contigent on finding sufficient collagen in the bones.Another interesting study not performed by NPS scientists is the cross-sectional analysis of the femora, humeri and tibiae. Which can be used to understand activity levels (See Ruff&#039;s article in Skeletal Biology of Past Peoples: Research Methods).NPS researchers utilized databases developed by Howells and Hanihara. The new study will uses databases developed by Jantz, Brace, Owsley and Turner to name a few.To sum up, the original researchers were hampered by a lot more restrictions than the group that won the law suit. Consequently, although some of the analysis will be the same (gender, etc) some will be performed in more detail. For example the NPS scientists had to rely on fragmentary bones and used the humerus because they didn&#039;t have a complete femora in the interval the missing pieces to the femora have been found so a more accurate estimate can be formed. Take the age of the skeleton as another example. The age was determined based on palantine suture closure (there is some doubt about the accuracy of this method (see the Journal of Forensic Sciences 36(2):512-519)and ectocranial suture closure. Given the differences in ectocranial suture closure between, say, the Todd collection and modern forensic samples I take a second look as well. Some analysis (such as those mentioned above) will be completely new. Some of this will be mere &quot;fact checking&quot; in the sense used by Hawks. This is, partially, however, a fuction of proper methodology. Determining things like gender, ethnicity, stature etc, are usually done by the examiner regardless of whether this has been done before.Having said all that, I totally agree with Hawks&#039; assessment of the way the new studies have been portrayed. I, for one, hadn&#039;t really thought much in the way a research had been done on Kennewick till a commenter on a post concerning the peopling of the America&#039;s (back in May) caused me to do some checking (results of which are posted here). After reading a few newspaper articles concerning Kennewick I realized journalist do not know anything about anthropology and were more concerned with sensationalizing Kennewick than they were about getting the facts straight. It was at that point that I decided to do my recent four part series on the subject. [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[&#8230;] John Hawks has posted some interesting thoughts on Kennewick. Pharyngula, Keat&#8217;s Telescope and  Savage Minds have all linked to it. Much as I like, and have learned from, Hawks&#8217; blog I have to disagree with his view on the subject. The gist of Hawks&#8217; post is that the new studies are essentially the same as the studies done prior to the court battle. In other words the new studies are essentially fact checking. He also doesn&#8217;t like the way the new studies are being portrayed. The press is portraying the new studies as if these were the first on Kennewick (I agree with Hawks&#8217; on this point). Regular readers of this blog already know that there have been some studies of the Kennewick material. I have discussed some of those studies &#8211; and some of the problems with them  here. Let me say at this point that previous investigations were hampered by restrictions placed on them by the conservators of the skeletal material. So let&#8217;s start by comparing what has already been done with what the plaintiff&#8217;s in the lawsuit are proposing to do. The plan of study can be found here.As is standard procedure, they start with an inventory of the skeletal material. This may sound like simple fact checking but in this instance it is needed. As the proposal points out:Among other things, there are unresolved differences between the records compiled by Dr. Owsley in October 1998 and the records compiled during the studies conducted by the National Park Service (“NPS”) in 1999. In addition, identifications of bone fragments have not been finalized. For example, the number and specific identification of all ribs (or rib fragments) recovered at the discovery site have not been determined. The inventory to be conducted during plaintiffs’ study session will attempt to resolve these and other bone identification and assignment questions.The next step will be assembly and reconstruction of the skeletal material:The cranium, mandible and selected postcranial bones will be reconstructed using Acryloid B-72. Some of the postcranial bones to be reconstructed are: both humeri, both femora, both tibiae and the right fibula. In addition, the right innominate and those ribs displaying pathological conditions will be reconstructed if doing so will aid in other investigations of the skeleton.As I mentioned in my previous post, this type of reconstruction was not allowed:Given the conservators&#8217; concerns regarding the use of permanent adhesives and consolidants, we elected to refit postcranial elements and maintain the stability of fragments by hand.Which led to:Prior to reconstruction of the cranium, all individual pieces of maxilla, mandible, zygomatics, and the neurocranium were measured by Powell (see Methods below). Facial bone fragments were refit by Powell and Odegaard, with input and assessment by Rose throughout the day-long process. Several times during the reconstruction process, pieces were removed, refit, and reattached to provide the best possible alignment of fragments. Clearly a difficult situation.Once the basics are out of the way there are 14 different analysis planned. Ranging from some of the more basic stuff (taphonomic and pathological assessment of the skeleton, age, gender, stature) to some more esoteric stuff:Three dimensional coordinate data of the cranium will be collected using an electronic digitizer to record the x, y and z coordinates of each point touched. These data will be supplemented with measurements taken by hand instruments for those areas of the cranium (such as the mandible) not adequately measured by the digitizer.Why is this important?Coordinate data provide much finer characterization of morphology and allow explicit comparisons of shape. It is also possible to increase visual appreciation of variation by using wire frame models of skulls obtained by connecting landmarks. Coordinate data also allow computation of non-standard measurements, which may provide greater insights into variation among early American crania and between early and later American crania. It goes without saying that this has not yet been done on the Kennewick cranium.Another interesting study proposed is the laser scanning of the skull and other elements:The purpose of the laser scan is to obtain and record accurate 3D models of the shapes of the skull and other scanned bones. Such models can be used in a variety of ways including the following: (a) to verify measurements and other data obtained by other investigators; (b) to provide data for adjusting measurements of the skull or other bones to compensate for any postmortem deformation or damage; (c) to visually compare the skull with skulls of other prehistoric (and modern) individuals; (d) to produce casts of the skull and other scanned bones. The data obtained will be recorded in a coordinate based STL file that can be archived in industry-standard formats for access by future investigators.Also not done by NPS scientists.They are also considering stable isotope analysis which can give information on whether they were eating terrestrial vs marine animals and what types of plants were being consumed. This analysis is contigent on finding sufficient collagen in the bones.Another interesting study not performed by NPS scientists is the cross-sectional analysis of the femora, humeri and tibiae. Which can be used to understand activity levels (See Ruff&#8217;s article in Skeletal Biology of Past Peoples: Research Methods).NPS researchers utilized databases developed by Howells and Hanihara. The new study will uses databases developed by Jantz, Brace, Owsley and Turner to name a few.To sum up, the original researchers were hampered by a lot more restrictions than the group that won the law suit. Consequently, although some of the analysis will be the same (gender, etc) some will be performed in more detail. For example the NPS scientists had to rely on fragmentary bones and used the humerus because they didn&#8217;t have a complete femora in the interval the missing pieces to the femora have been found so a more accurate estimate can be formed. Take the age of the skeleton as another example. The age was determined based on palantine suture closure (there is some doubt about the accuracy of this method (see the Journal of Forensic Sciences 36(2):512-519)and ectocranial suture closure. Given the differences in ectocranial suture closure between, say, the Todd collection and modern forensic samples I take a second look as well. Some analysis (such as those mentioned above) will be completely new. Some of this will be mere &#8220;fact checking&#8221; in the sense used by Hawks. This is, partially, however, a fuction of proper methodology. Determining things like gender, ethnicity, stature etc, are usually done by the examiner regardless of whether this has been done before.Having said all that, I totally agree with Hawks&#8217; assessment of the way the new studies have been portrayed. I, for one, hadn&#8217;t really thought much in the way a research had been done on Kennewick till a commenter on a post concerning the peopling of the America&#8217;s (back in May) caused me to do some checking (results of which are posted here). After reading a few newspaper articles concerning Kennewick I realized journalist do not know anything about anthropology and were more concerned with sensationalizing Kennewick than they were about getting the facts straight. It was at that point that I decided to do my recent four part series on the subject. [&#8230;]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--></p>
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		<title>By: Ann M. Altman</title>
		<link>/2005/07/19/kennewick-skullduggery/comment-page-1/#comment-1014</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ann M. Altman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jul 2005 22:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[With respect to the analysis (and sequencing) of DNA from old bones, you might be interested in the following article that appeared in the latest issue of &quot;Science&quot;:

Originally published in Science Express on 2 June 2005
Science, Vol 309, Issue 5734, 597-599, 22 July 2005
	
Genomic Sequencing of Pleistocene Cave Bears
James P. Noonan,1,2 Michael Hofreiter,3 Doug Smith,1 James R. Priest,2 Nadin Rohland,3 Gernot Rabeder,4 Johannes Krause,3 J. Chris Detter,1,5 Svante Pääbo,3 Edward M. Rubin1,2*

Despite the greater information content of genomic DNA, ancient DNA studies have largely been limited to the amplification of mitochondrial sequences. Here we describe metagenomic libraries constructed with unamplified DNA extracted from skeletal remains of two 40,000-year-old extinct cave bears. Analysis of ~1 megabase of sequence from each library showed that despite significant microbial contamination, 5.8 and 1.1% of clones contained cave bear inserts, yielding 26,861 base pairs of cave bear genome sequence. Comparison of cave bear and modern bear sequences revealed the evolutionary relationship of these lineages. The metagenomic approach used here establishes the feasibility of ancient DNA genome sequencing programs.

Published online 2 June 2005]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With respect to the analysis (and sequencing) of DNA from old bones, you might be interested in the following article that appeared in the latest issue of &#8220;Science&#8221;:</p>
<p>Originally published in Science Express on 2 June 2005<br />
Science, Vol 309, Issue 5734, 597-599, 22 July 2005</p>
<p>Genomic Sequencing of Pleistocene Cave Bears<br />
James P. Noonan,1,2 Michael Hofreiter,3 Doug Smith,1 James R. Priest,2 Nadin Rohland,3 Gernot Rabeder,4 Johannes Krause,3 J. Chris Detter,1,5 Svante Pääbo,3 Edward M. Rubin1,2*</p>
<p>Despite the greater information content of genomic DNA, ancient DNA studies have largely been limited to the amplification of mitochondrial sequences. Here we describe metagenomic libraries constructed with unamplified DNA extracted from skeletal remains of two 40,000-year-old extinct cave bears. Analysis of ~1 megabase of sequence from each library showed that despite significant microbial contamination, 5.8 and 1.1% of clones contained cave bear inserts, yielding 26,861 base pairs of cave bear genome sequence. Comparison of cave bear and modern bear sequences revealed the evolutionary relationship of these lineages. The metagenomic approach used here establishes the feasibility of ancient DNA genome sequencing programs.</p>
<p>Published online 2 June 2005</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>/2005/07/19/kennewick-skullduggery/comment-page-1/#comment-776</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patrick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2005 17:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was just intending to comment on litigation strategy, not to make a normative statement about how people should in this case should be acting or what position is best.

Anyways, I think its worth remembering when people discuss whether this is the &quot;right&quot; answer, that &quot;right&quot; has two parts when dealing with the law.  The first is whether its the right answer in terms of whether its the legally best answer.  The second is whether its morally, ethically, pragmatically, or generally normatively best.

To operationalize this in colloquial terms, think of these as letting you know who did or did not get screwed, and by whom.

If an answer is legally right, but (in your opinion) normatively wrong, then the court is blameless, and whoever wrote the law is at fault for screwing whoever lost.

If the answer is legally right and normatively right, no one got screwed.

If the answer is legally wrong and normatively right, then whoever wrote the law tried to screw someone, but got cut off by the courts, who then screwed the legal system.

If the answer is legally wrong and normatively wrong, then the courts screwed whoever lost.

This is a useful shortcut to knowing who to blame.  What this basically does is let you see exactly what people mean when they say a decision is &quot;bad.&quot;

Normatively, you can all make your own calls.

Legally, its fun to note that this case really did turn on what the definition of &quot;is&quot; is.  NAGPRA only applies to remains that are connected to a tribe, culture, etc, which &quot;is indigenous&quot; to the americas.  What about tribes, cultures, etc, which *were* indigenous?  The court talked about giving words their ordinary everyday meaning, said that &quot;is&quot; means present tense, discussed what evidence existed (or did not exist) of cultural continuity, gave an argument about how congress&#039; intention probably wasn&#039;t to apply NAGPRA to give bodies from one culture to an entirely different one just because the original wasn&#039;t around anymore, and closed up the case.

Ok, the opinion was many, many pages long.  But that&#039;s what it did.

I think its interesting how the court dealt with the task of determining whether the Kennewick man was of the same culture etc as any modern day native american tribe.  Personally, I think that&#039;s the sort of decision that the courts should avoid where possible, but they didn&#039;t write NAGPRA so that&#039;s not their fault.  It certainly brings into contrast the legal world with the academic: in academia, we can debate the Kennewick man&#039;s origins until the end of time.  In law, we often get handed a case which turns on a contentious academic question, a pile of amicus briefs from various academics, and a deadline at which an absolute, permanent, never revocable decision must be made.

Alright, its not quite that absolute.  But for practical purposes, its usually the final decision.

On a personal note, this blog is fun.  I think the blog format encourages the mixing of the political with the academic, and that&#039;s a fun place for a law student to be.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just intending to comment on litigation strategy, not to make a normative statement about how people should in this case should be acting or what position is best.</p>
<p>Anyways, I think its worth remembering when people discuss whether this is the &#8220;right&#8221; answer, that &#8220;right&#8221; has two parts when dealing with the law.  The first is whether its the right answer in terms of whether its the legally best answer.  The second is whether its morally, ethically, pragmatically, or generally normatively best.</p>
<p>To operationalize this in colloquial terms, think of these as letting you know who did or did not get screwed, and by whom.</p>
<p>If an answer is legally right, but (in your opinion) normatively wrong, then the court is blameless, and whoever wrote the law is at fault for screwing whoever lost.</p>
<p>If the answer is legally right and normatively right, no one got screwed.</p>
<p>If the answer is legally wrong and normatively right, then whoever wrote the law tried to screw someone, but got cut off by the courts, who then screwed the legal system.</p>
<p>If the answer is legally wrong and normatively wrong, then the courts screwed whoever lost.</p>
<p>This is a useful shortcut to knowing who to blame.  What this basically does is let you see exactly what people mean when they say a decision is &#8220;bad.&#8221;</p>
<p>Normatively, you can all make your own calls.</p>
<p>Legally, its fun to note that this case really did turn on what the definition of &#8220;is&#8221; is.  NAGPRA only applies to remains that are connected to a tribe, culture, etc, which &#8220;is indigenous&#8221; to the americas.  What about tribes, cultures, etc, which *were* indigenous?  The court talked about giving words their ordinary everyday meaning, said that &#8220;is&#8221; means present tense, discussed what evidence existed (or did not exist) of cultural continuity, gave an argument about how congress&#8217; intention probably wasn&#8217;t to apply NAGPRA to give bodies from one culture to an entirely different one just because the original wasn&#8217;t around anymore, and closed up the case.</p>
<p>Ok, the opinion was many, many pages long.  But that&#8217;s what it did.</p>
<p>I think its interesting how the court dealt with the task of determining whether the Kennewick man was of the same culture etc as any modern day native american tribe.  Personally, I think that&#8217;s the sort of decision that the courts should avoid where possible, but they didn&#8217;t write NAGPRA so that&#8217;s not their fault.  It certainly brings into contrast the legal world with the academic: in academia, we can debate the Kennewick man&#8217;s origins until the end of time.  In law, we often get handed a case which turns on a contentious academic question, a pile of amicus briefs from various academics, and a deadline at which an absolute, permanent, never revocable decision must be made.</p>
<p>Alright, its not quite that absolute.  But for practical purposes, its usually the final decision.</p>
<p>On a personal note, this blog is fun.  I think the blog format encourages the mixing of the political with the academic, and that&#8217;s a fun place for a law student to be.</p>
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		<title>By: Kerim</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kerim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2005 15:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tim. That sounds like &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.newhumanist.org.uk/volume120issue1_more.php?id=1217_0_34_0_C&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Meera Nanda&#039;s&lt;/a&gt; argument. I have nothing against that - I believe in rationality. However, it is important to remember that legally Christian Americans and Native Americans have very different status. Our constitution separates church and state, but it also recognizes various degrees of sovereignty for Native Americans. So it isn&#039;t just anthropologists who split hairs, it is also our legal tradition. I don&#039;t know enough about this case to engage in such hair splitting myself, but I think it is important to acknowledge that there are important differences here between the two communities and the status of their non-scientific claims.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim. That sounds like <a href="http://www.newhumanist.org.uk/volume120issue1_more.php?id=1217_0_34_0_C" rel="nofollow">Meera Nanda&#8217;s</a> argument. I have nothing against that &#8211; I believe in rationality. However, it is important to remember that legally Christian Americans and Native Americans have very different status. Our constitution separates church and state, but it also recognizes various degrees of sovereignty for Native Americans. So it isn&#8217;t just anthropologists who split hairs, it is also our legal tradition. I don&#8217;t know enough about this case to engage in such hair splitting myself, but I think it is important to acknowledge that there are important differences here between the two communities and the status of their non-scientific claims.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Burke</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Timothy Burke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What Patrick said. The case isn&#039;t about the need to study the skeleton more, it&#039;s about the precedential implications of yielding to a claim that a contemporary Native American group&#039;s religious beliefs about their ancestry entitles them to control of these remains. 

I&#039;m working up a long entry on some related issues, but it takes me back to some of the claims Oneman made a while back here about the ethics of anthropological research. You can argue that the obligation of an anthropologist is to assist discrete social communities in the work of self-definition and assertion of autonomy, but if so, that obligation has to extend in all directions. If you want to implicitly or explicitly suggest that the Native American claim here should be upheld, you also ought to support Christians who are creationists in their assertions of the right to understand the universe as they see fit: the two demands stack very neatly alongside each other. The only thing that allows at least some anthropologists or others to split the difference is a kind of subsurface metanarrative about which communities have an authenticity worthy of assisting and which do not. You can&#039;t even gloss it as a narrative of empowerment, that Native Americans are downtrodden and evangelical Christians are not: the real physical communities in which creation science strikes the strongest chords in the United States are relatively marginalized in economic and social terms from the centers of American wealth and influence. Evangelical Christians may have access to political power, but that access does not return to them any substantive changes in their real social status or social power, at least not so far.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Patrick said. The case isn&#8217;t about the need to study the skeleton more, it&#8217;s about the precedential implications of yielding to a claim that a contemporary Native American group&#8217;s religious beliefs about their ancestry entitles them to control of these remains. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m working up a long entry on some related issues, but it takes me back to some of the claims Oneman made a while back here about the ethics of anthropological research. You can argue that the obligation of an anthropologist is to assist discrete social communities in the work of self-definition and assertion of autonomy, but if so, that obligation has to extend in all directions. If you want to implicitly or explicitly suggest that the Native American claim here should be upheld, you also ought to support Christians who are creationists in their assertions of the right to understand the universe as they see fit: the two demands stack very neatly alongside each other. The only thing that allows at least some anthropologists or others to split the difference is a kind of subsurface metanarrative about which communities have an authenticity worthy of assisting and which do not. You can&#8217;t even gloss it as a narrative of empowerment, that Native Americans are downtrodden and evangelical Christians are not: the real physical communities in which creation science strikes the strongest chords in the United States are relatively marginalized in economic and social terms from the centers of American wealth and influence. Evangelical Christians may have access to political power, but that access does not return to them any substantive changes in their real social status or social power, at least not so far.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patrick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2005 19:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s fine, no one said they had to be the only people going berserk.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s fine, no one said they had to be the only people going berserk.</p>
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		<title>By: ozma</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2005 17:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think describing the Indian reaction to the Kennewick case as &quot;going berserk&quot; to be quite fair when the intense interest in the remains in question was sparked by a white guy&#039;s crackpot promotion of the skeleton as evidence that 9,000 years ago caucasians -- or caucasoids, or whatever 19th century race theory terminology one wishes to attach -- inhabited the Americas.  Let&#039;s keep the onus of berserkness where it belongs, shall we?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think describing the Indian reaction to the Kennewick case as &#8220;going berserk&#8221; to be quite fair when the intense interest in the remains in question was sparked by a white guy&#8217;s crackpot promotion of the skeleton as evidence that 9,000 years ago caucasians &#8212; or caucasoids, or whatever 19th century race theory terminology one wishes to attach &#8212; inhabited the Americas.  Let&#8217;s keep the onus of berserkness where it belongs, shall we?</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2005 17:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I already posted a comment on pharyngula before I came here and saw your post.

You can read my comment there, but in short, once the case hit the courts, from the perspective of the scientists it had to be litigated for precedential value, and in order to litigate it they had to treat the remains as having further scientific value, and once they did that, they *have* to do some studies now that they&#039;ve won, and publish some data.  Because if they don&#039;t, the native american press will go berserk even more than it already has.  That&#039;s my interpretation, at least.

As for studying the remains prior to the trial&#039;s completion, I don&#039;t know the law on that.  My suspicion is, absent some alteration to the general rules by NAGPRA, whoever had the remains could do what they wanted to with them, within the confines of general US law regarding human remains.  The native americans could have applied for an injunction until the completion of the trial, and I bet they did, but apparently they weren&#039;t granted one, or they didn&#039;t file it fast enough.

Generally, if you and I are in a lawsuit over who is the true owner of an automobile, and its in my possession, I can paint it red if I feel like, even if you think it should remain blue.  If you want to stop me, you&#039;d ask for an injunction against me altering or disposing of the property until the lawsuit was resolved.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I already posted a comment on pharyngula before I came here and saw your post.</p>
<p>You can read my comment there, but in short, once the case hit the courts, from the perspective of the scientists it had to be litigated for precedential value, and in order to litigate it they had to treat the remains as having further scientific value, and once they did that, they *have* to do some studies now that they&#8217;ve won, and publish some data.  Because if they don&#8217;t, the native american press will go berserk even more than it already has.  That&#8217;s my interpretation, at least.</p>
<p>As for studying the remains prior to the trial&#8217;s completion, I don&#8217;t know the law on that.  My suspicion is, absent some alteration to the general rules by NAGPRA, whoever had the remains could do what they wanted to with them, within the confines of general US law regarding human remains.  The native americans could have applied for an injunction until the completion of the trial, and I bet they did, but apparently they weren&#8217;t granted one, or they didn&#8217;t file it fast enough.</p>
<p>Generally, if you and I are in a lawsuit over who is the true owner of an automobile, and its in my possession, I can paint it red if I feel like, even if you think it should remain blue.  If you want to stop me, you&#8217;d ask for an injunction against me altering or disposing of the property until the lawsuit was resolved.</p>
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