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	<title>Comments on: Is it unethical to say something about someone that they cannot understand?</title>
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		<title>By: Emma</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 21:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahh, pointlessly commenting on a long-dormant thread, but to me the question seems to be: what are the political implications of speaking to the &quot;technical,&quot; anthropologically informed public? When anthropologists write articles with intended political impacts, have they selected the right audience? How appropriate is it for anthropologists to, for instance, publish in genres and venues which primarily advance their individual careers rather than any interest of the people they&#039;re writing about? 

To some extent this is a financial problem, since most anthropologists need to use the resources of universities in order to do their fieldwork and writing at all--and having access to those resources ultimately requires the anthropologist to publish in scholarly contexts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahh, pointlessly commenting on a long-dormant thread, but to me the question seems to be: what are the political implications of speaking to the &#8220;technical,&#8221; anthropologically informed public? When anthropologists write articles with intended political impacts, have they selected the right audience? How appropriate is it for anthropologists to, for instance, publish in genres and venues which primarily advance their individual careers rather than any interest of the people they&#8217;re writing about? </p>
<p>To some extent this is a financial problem, since most anthropologists need to use the resources of universities in order to do their fieldwork and writing at all&#8211;and having access to those resources ultimately requires the anthropologist to publish in scholarly contexts.</p>
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		<title>By: Christine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 11:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason this thread refuses to stay dormant, I suspect, is because so many of us wrestle with the question and want a real engagement of it. It&#039;s interesting to see how it touches down in different ways-- while Carl is asking about artistic practice and ethics, I continue to struggle with, er, political practice and ethics.

What I mean is that I often hear (and say) &quot;you didn&#039;t understand what I said/meant&quot; when someone else does not come to the same political conclusion based on the data/story told. Perhaps this is because we find it hard to believe that people, having fully understood what we have said, would come to a different analysis and conclusion. And since my work is about politics and government, this often shows up as a tension between what people in my research site see as the cause/solution to problems like insecurity and poverty versus what I see.

Will I upset some people when I write my dissertation? Probably. Will they say &quot;she&#039;s wrong because she just doesn&#039;t get it, she didn&#039;t understand what she was seeing, she talked and listened to the wrong people&quot;? Probably. 

And are some of the people who I&#039;ll upset not the sorts of people who anthropologists typically upset when they write politically controversial stuff? Most likely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason this thread refuses to stay dormant, I suspect, is because so many of us wrestle with the question and want a real engagement of it. It&#8217;s interesting to see how it touches down in different ways&#8211; while Carl is asking about artistic practice and ethics, I continue to struggle with, er, political practice and ethics.</p>
<p>What I mean is that I often hear (and say) &#8220;you didn&#8217;t understand what I said/meant&#8221; when someone else does not come to the same political conclusion based on the data/story told. Perhaps this is because we find it hard to believe that people, having fully understood what we have said, would come to a different analysis and conclusion. And since my work is about politics and government, this often shows up as a tension between what people in my research site see as the cause/solution to problems like insecurity and poverty versus what I see.</p>
<p>Will I upset some people when I write my dissertation? Probably. Will they say &#8220;she&#8217;s wrong because she just doesn&#8217;t get it, she didn&#8217;t understand what she was seeing, she talked and listened to the wrong people&#8221;? Probably. </p>
<p>And are some of the people who I&#8217;ll upset not the sorts of people who anthropologists typically upset when they write politically controversial stuff? Most likely.</p>
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		<title>By: MTBradley</title>
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		<dc:creator>MTBradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 14:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don’t know if it will wake this thread back up, but I think your post raises some really interesting issues. The use of field work that collects data such as “tools, practices and products” and then represents them out of context “to say things about a vanishing way of life, anxiety, nostalgia and control” is a description of a great deal of the output of contemporary anthropologists in all four subfields. I wonder what you would get out of a focus group that asked a room full of professional anthropologists to consider anthropological practice and ethics vis-à-vis artistic practice and ethics? A lot of anthropologists think of their discipline as belonging with the humanities but I suspect that a lot of those same people wouldn’t like having their publications compared to works of fine art—issues of patronship and of the relative contributions of the artists/author vs. the source community might prove a little uncomfortable, for example.

I would suggest that your wife should have an ethical concern with documenting the provenance of anything she collects. You might try asking some folklorists these same questions. In my experience your average folklorist is more likely to have articulated such questions to themselves (http://eric.ed.gov/ERICWebPortal/custom/portlets/recordDetails/detailmini.jsp?_nfpb=true&amp;_&amp;ERICExtSearch_SearchValue_0=ED126543&amp;ERICExtSearch_SearchType_0=no&amp;accno=ED126543)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t know if it will wake this thread back up, but I think your post raises some really interesting issues. The use of field work that collects data such as “tools, practices and products” and then represents them out of context “to say things about a vanishing way of life, anxiety, nostalgia and control” is a description of a great deal of the output of contemporary anthropologists in all four subfields. I wonder what you would get out of a focus group that asked a room full of professional anthropologists to consider anthropological practice and ethics vis-à-vis artistic practice and ethics? A lot of anthropologists think of their discipline as belonging with the humanities but I suspect that a lot of those same people wouldn’t like having their publications compared to works of fine art—issues of patronship and of the relative contributions of the artists/author vs. the source community might prove a little uncomfortable, for example.</p>
<p>I would suggest that your wife should have an ethical concern with documenting the provenance of anything she collects. You might try asking some folklorists these same questions. In my experience your average folklorist is more likely to have articulated such questions to themselves (<a href="http://eric.ed.gov/ERICWebPortal/custom/portlets/recordDetails/detailmini.jsp?_nfpb=true&amp;_&amp;ERICExtSearch_SearchValue_0=ED126543&amp;ERICExtSearch_SearchType_0=no&amp;accno=ED126543" rel="nofollow">http://eric.ed.gov/ERICWebPortal/custom/portlets/recordDetails/detailmini.jsp?_nfpb=true&amp;_&amp;ERICExtSearch_SearchValue_0=ED126543&amp;ERICExtSearch_SearchType_0=no&amp;accno=ED126543</a>)</p>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 03:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This may now be a dormant thread, but I&#039;ve been meaning to ask how these questions might overlap with artistic practice and ethics. Specifically, my wife, who grew up on a subsistence farm, is working on a series of fine art installations that redeploy common farming tools, practices and products to say things about a vanishing way of life, anxiety, nostalgia and control. Although she is doing a lot of what might be called &#039;fieldwork&#039; to assemble her materials and she is fundamentally sympathetic with farmers, she is not devoted to reporting their perspective or advocating their interests. Moreover, she is working in a fine arts milieu and idiom that has its own rules developed over at least a century and is completely foreign to most farmers - as we regularly note in conversation with her own family, who wish she was painting landscapes. Any thoughts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This may now be a dormant thread, but I&#8217;ve been meaning to ask how these questions might overlap with artistic practice and ethics. Specifically, my wife, who grew up on a subsistence farm, is working on a series of fine art installations that redeploy common farming tools, practices and products to say things about a vanishing way of life, anxiety, nostalgia and control. Although she is doing a lot of what might be called &#8216;fieldwork&#8217; to assemble her materials and she is fundamentally sympathetic with farmers, she is not devoted to reporting their perspective or advocating their interests. Moreover, she is working in a fine arts milieu and idiom that has its own rules developed over at least a century and is completely foreign to most farmers &#8211; as we regularly note in conversation with her own family, who wish she was painting landscapes. Any thoughts?</p>
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		<title>By: Joanna Kirkpatrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joanna Kirkpatrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:50:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I made a point of first publishing my book, based on the diss. fieldwork done in India, in India. In it I&#039;d made some comparative points about T. Parsons&#039; sick role concepts not working unversally across cultures. The book was also in part a critique of the way R.L. Coser wrote about Life in the Ward (USA). 

Life in Indian wards was very different. In that Christian mission hospital, patients were allowed to see visitors often and to rely on their escorts for meals that were suitable to their particular religious and personal requirements (rather than  being forced or expected to eat food made in the hospital kitchen). Patients&#039; families were not exiled from the Indian hospital as they were in the USA, in those days (the &#039;60s). I wanted Indian readers of my book--written in English since that was the language of anthropological publishing there--to see that there was no need to deplore their ways of delivering health care in hospitals by comparison with the social anthropology of &quot;our&quot; institutions that was on offer at that time. An unintended consequence of publishing my book in India was that it started the field of medical sociology as a university specialty in India.

There were places that I realised I could not go in interviewing patients: family income, marital problems (unless the patient talked about them on her own), and even the number of children (talk about which was a cause of anxiety over the evil eye among some of the patients). I had ways of estimating or even finding out number of children because someone, probably a husband, had already given that information on the hospital intake interview. There&#039;s much more about the issue of publishing one&#039;s analysis locally, reader reception, etc., but I think I&#039;ve spoken sufficiently to this thread from my own experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I made a point of first publishing my book, based on the diss. fieldwork done in India, in India. In it I&#8217;d made some comparative points about T. Parsons&#8217; sick role concepts not working unversally across cultures. The book was also in part a critique of the way R.L. Coser wrote about Life in the Ward (USA). </p>
<p>Life in Indian wards was very different. In that Christian mission hospital, patients were allowed to see visitors often and to rely on their escorts for meals that were suitable to their particular religious and personal requirements (rather than  being forced or expected to eat food made in the hospital kitchen). Patients&#8217; families were not exiled from the Indian hospital as they were in the USA, in those days (the &#8217;60s). I wanted Indian readers of my book&#8211;written in English since that was the language of anthropological publishing there&#8211;to see that there was no need to deplore their ways of delivering health care in hospitals by comparison with the social anthropology of &#8220;our&#8221; institutions that was on offer at that time. An unintended consequence of publishing my book in India was that it started the field of medical sociology as a university specialty in India.</p>
<p>There were places that I realised I could not go in interviewing patients: family income, marital problems (unless the patient talked about them on her own), and even the number of children (talk about which was a cause of anxiety over the evil eye among some of the patients). I had ways of estimating or even finding out number of children because someone, probably a husband, had already given that information on the hospital intake interview. There&#8217;s much more about the issue of publishing one&#8217;s analysis locally, reader reception, etc., but I think I&#8217;ve spoken sufficiently to this thread from my own experience.</p>
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		<title>By: Judy Pine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judy Pine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 01:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if it might not be productive to explore what we mean by writing for a particular group?  I do tend to feel that in some ways I write on behalf of Lahu people, as a sort of amorphous and difficult to identify unit.  I want to communicate to a wide audience the sophistication with which 21st century Lahu individuals construct identities which seem to me to be both Lahu and modern.  (My research this summer involved several discussions, in Lahu and Thai, of how to say &quot;media&quot; and how to say &quot;modern&quot; in Lahu.)

The thing I want to get to here, though, is that when I write I&#039;m generally engaged in something which I can at least to some extent conceive of as being for (on behalf of) Lahu people.  Is that conception of mine potentially offensive, though?  How to I avoid, or do I need to avoid, the apparently dominant position I place myself in?  To draw on John&#039;s analogy, should(n&#039;t) I place (some? known? my contacts among?) Lahu in a position of responding to me: &quot;Hey, don&#039;t you psychoanalyze me!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if it might not be productive to explore what we mean by writing for a particular group?  I do tend to feel that in some ways I write on behalf of Lahu people, as a sort of amorphous and difficult to identify unit.  I want to communicate to a wide audience the sophistication with which 21st century Lahu individuals construct identities which seem to me to be both Lahu and modern.  (My research this summer involved several discussions, in Lahu and Thai, of how to say &#8220;media&#8221; and how to say &#8220;modern&#8221; in Lahu.)</p>
<p>The thing I want to get to here, though, is that when I write I&#8217;m generally engaged in something which I can at least to some extent conceive of as being for (on behalf of) Lahu people.  Is that conception of mine potentially offensive, though?  How to I avoid, or do I need to avoid, the apparently dominant position I place myself in?  To draw on John&#8217;s analogy, should(n&#8217;t) I place (some? known? my contacts among?) Lahu in a position of responding to me: &#8220;Hey, don&#8217;t you psychoanalyze me!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: John McCreery</title>
		<link>http://savageminds.org/2009/11/10/is-it-unethical-to-say-something-about-someone-that-they-cannot-understand/comment-page-1/#comment-623965</link>
		<dc:creator>John McCreery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 14:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christine raises important questions. The only answer I can think of is the habit recommended to therapists. Listen with an open mind and check to be sure that you do, indeed, understand what is being said. Techniques like paraphrasing, repeating what you think you have heard in your own words and giving the other a chance to say, &quot;No, what I was saying was....&quot; can be useful here. Then be sure to own your conclusions: &quot;When I heard you say X, I felt/thought/imagined Y.&quot; If the tone is non-judgmental, the other will most likely not be offended. 

If, however, the people you are working with remain offended, you have a choice to make. You can say what you believe and accept the consequences or filter what you believe to fit what they want you to say. In journalism that&#039;s called selling out. In a courtroom it&#039;s called perjury.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christine raises important questions. The only answer I can think of is the habit recommended to therapists. Listen with an open mind and check to be sure that you do, indeed, understand what is being said. Techniques like paraphrasing, repeating what you think you have heard in your own words and giving the other a chance to say, &#8220;No, what I was saying was&#8230;.&#8221; can be useful here. Then be sure to own your conclusions: &#8220;When I heard you say X, I felt/thought/imagined Y.&#8221; If the tone is non-judgmental, the other will most likely not be offended. </p>
<p>If, however, the people you are working with remain offended, you have a choice to make. You can say what you believe and accept the consequences or filter what you believe to fit what they want you to say. In journalism that&#8217;s called selling out. In a courtroom it&#8217;s called perjury.</p>
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		<title>By: John McCreery</title>
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		<dc:creator>John McCreery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 14:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christine raises important questions. The only answer I can think of is the habit recommended to therapists. Listen with an open mind and check to be sure that you do, indeed, understand what is being said. Techniques like paraphrasing, repeating what you think you have heard in your own words and giving the other a chance to say, &quot;No, what I was saying was....&quot; can be useful here. Then be sure to own your conclusions: &quot;When I heard people say X, I felt/thought/imagined Y.&quot; If the tone is non-judgmental, the other will most likely not be offended. 

If, however, the people you are working with remain offended, you have a choice to make. You can say what you believe and accept the consequences or filter what you believe to fit what they want you to say. In journalism that&#039;s called selling out. In a courtroom it&#039;s called perjury.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christine raises important questions. The only answer I can think of is the habit recommended to therapists. Listen with an open mind and check to be sure that you do, indeed, understand what is being said. Techniques like paraphrasing, repeating what you think you have heard in your own words and giving the other a chance to say, &#8220;No, what I was saying was&#8230;.&#8221; can be useful here. Then be sure to own your conclusions: &#8220;When I heard people say X, I felt/thought/imagined Y.&#8221; If the tone is non-judgmental, the other will most likely not be offended. </p>
<p>If, however, the people you are working with remain offended, you have a choice to make. You can say what you believe and accept the consequences or filter what you believe to fit what they want you to say. In journalism that&#8217;s called selling out. In a courtroom it&#8217;s called perjury.</p>
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		<title>By: Christine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 13:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Something that they cannot understand? Or, something that they don&#039;t like or agree with?

This post touches on a few questions I&#039;m wrestling with as I&#039;m on the field. Putting aside the issue of indecipherable jargon, what do I do when I&#039;m asked by the people I&#039;m working with what I think about a situation in their country and they disagree with my opinion? This isn&#039;t a question of being understood or misinterpreted. On the one hand, there&#039;s a strong value in having our work be identifiable to the people in it (i.e., that they feel known and faithfully depicted in our writing). On the other hand, at what point does this value conflict with our own intellectual integrity. As I am &quot;studying up,&quot; my interlocutors seem more familiar with the intellectual conventions I&#039;m working under. That &quot;understanding&quot; doesn&#039;t mean that they like or agree with what I&#039;m saying, though.

The tenor of the post and the comments seems to assume (correctly, in my situation) that the projects we&#039;re writing about take place somewhere other than &quot;home.&quot; What about those of us who are doing work in the United States (i.e., my home)? Those of us who are working in cities, in settings of rural poverty in the US? What about those of us who are doing work among communities whose political beliefs we might strongly disagree with (e.g., the religious right in the US)? How do the ethics of intelligibility, correspondence, and, well, &quot;do I agree with this assessment or not&quot; touch down here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something that they cannot understand? Or, something that they don&#8217;t like or agree with?</p>
<p>This post touches on a few questions I&#8217;m wrestling with as I&#8217;m on the field. Putting aside the issue of indecipherable jargon, what do I do when I&#8217;m asked by the people I&#8217;m working with what I think about a situation in their country and they disagree with my opinion? This isn&#8217;t a question of being understood or misinterpreted. On the one hand, there&#8217;s a strong value in having our work be identifiable to the people in it (i.e., that they feel known and faithfully depicted in our writing). On the other hand, at what point does this value conflict with our own intellectual integrity. As I am &#8220;studying up,&#8221; my interlocutors seem more familiar with the intellectual conventions I&#8217;m working under. That &#8220;understanding&#8221; doesn&#8217;t mean that they like or agree with what I&#8217;m saying, though.</p>
<p>The tenor of the post and the comments seems to assume (correctly, in my situation) that the projects we&#8217;re writing about take place somewhere other than &#8220;home.&#8221; What about those of us who are doing work in the United States (i.e., my home)? Those of us who are working in cities, in settings of rural poverty in the US? What about those of us who are doing work among communities whose political beliefs we might strongly disagree with (e.g., the religious right in the US)? How do the ethics of intelligibility, correspondence, and, well, &#8220;do I agree with this assessment or not&#8221; touch down here?</p>
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		<title>By: MTBradley</title>
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		<dc:creator>MTBradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 23:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ooh, &quot;very Freudian&quot;:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overdetermination!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ooh, &#8220;very Freudian&#8221;:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overdetermination!</p>
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		<title>By: Graf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As long as we&#039;re on the topic of writing, there&#039;s only one appropriate usage of &quot;baited breath,&quot; and it&#039;s in the poem &quot;Cruel Clever Cat&quot; by Geoffrey Taylor:

Sally, having swallowed cheese, 
Directs down holes the scented breeze
Enticing thus, with baited breath,
Nice mice to an untimely death</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long as we&#8217;re on the topic of writing, there&#8217;s only one appropriate usage of &#8220;baited breath,&#8221; and it&#8217;s in the poem &#8220;Cruel Clever Cat&#8221; by Geoffrey Taylor:</p>
<p>Sally, having swallowed cheese,<br />
Directs down holes the scented breeze<br />
Enticing thus, with baited breath,<br />
Nice mice to an untimely death</p>
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		<title>By: John McCreery</title>
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		<dc:creator>John McCreery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 01:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephen Owen makes a similar point in _Traditional Chinese poetry and poetics : omen of the world_, arguing that every genre implies a particular set of readers. In the case of Tang lyric (long celebrated as the epitome of classical Chinese poetry), the poet assumes a reader with an education in the Chinese classics and imperial histories. Thus, for example, when Du Fu writes of the moon reflected in the water at a certain bend in the Yellow River, the reader is expected to know that Du Fu is fleeing the sack of Changan, the imperial capital, by the Tibetans while the Chinese armies were distracted by the rebellion of An Lu-shan, an event that led to the death of the imperial concubine Yang Guifei, demanded by the soldiers accompanying the fleeing emperor.  It was, of course, precisely this sort of knowledge, utterly esoteric to the illiterate masses, that distinguished the elite mandarins who governed the Chinese empire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen Owen makes a similar point in _Traditional Chinese poetry and poetics : omen of the world_, arguing that every genre implies a particular set of readers. In the case of Tang lyric (long celebrated as the epitome of classical Chinese poetry), the poet assumes a reader with an education in the Chinese classics and imperial histories. Thus, for example, when Du Fu writes of the moon reflected in the water at a certain bend in the Yellow River, the reader is expected to know that Du Fu is fleeing the sack of Changan, the imperial capital, by the Tibetans while the Chinese armies were distracted by the rebellion of An Lu-shan, an event that led to the death of the imperial concubine Yang Guifei, demanded by the soldiers accompanying the fleeing emperor.  It was, of course, precisely this sort of knowledge, utterly esoteric to the illiterate masses, that distinguished the elite mandarins who governed the Chinese empire.</p>
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		<title>By: The ethics of scholarly production: A practical approach for the field? &#171; Greater Blogazonia</title>
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		<dc:creator>The ethics of scholarly production: A practical approach for the field? &#171; Greater Blogazonia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 15:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 11, 2009   In a post over at Savage Minds, Rex raises the issue of the ethics of publishing works that are not accessible (i.e. intelligible) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 11, 2009   In a post over at Savage Minds, Rex raises the issue of the ethics of publishing works that are not accessible (i.e. intelligible) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Alberto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alberto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 12:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael Warner makes a brilliant case in favour of opaque writing in &#039;Public and Counterpublics&#039; (chapter 3). I wont attempt to summarise it but will quote from one of the many gems to be found there:

&#039;The possibility I would like to raise here is that those who write opaque left theory might very well feel that they are... writing to a public that does not yet exist, and finding that their language can circulate only in channels hostile to it, they write in a manner designed to be a placeholder for a future public.&#039; (pg. 130)

In other words, writing clearly and making one&#039;s work accessible are not necessarily analogous operations. It depends who&#039;s your public - and where you would like your work to have political effect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael Warner makes a brilliant case in favour of opaque writing in &#8216;Public and Counterpublics&#8217; (chapter 3). I wont attempt to summarise it but will quote from one of the many gems to be found there:</p>
<p>&#8216;The possibility I would like to raise here is that those who write opaque left theory might very well feel that they are&#8230; writing to a public that does not yet exist, and finding that their language can circulate only in channels hostile to it, they write in a manner designed to be a placeholder for a future public.&#8217; (pg. 130)</p>
<p>In other words, writing clearly and making one&#8217;s work accessible are not necessarily analogous operations. It depends who&#8217;s your public &#8211; and where you would like your work to have political effect.</p>
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		<title>By: Wednesday Round Up #89 &#171; Neuroanthropology</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wednesday Round Up #89 &#171; Neuroanthropology</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 12:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] @ Savage Minds, Is it Unethical to Say Something about Someone that They Cannot Understand? Is there a moral obligation to make our work accessible to the people who share their lives with [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] @ Savage Minds, Is it Unethical to Say Something about Someone that They Cannot Understand? Is there a moral obligation to make our work accessible to the people who share their lives with [...]</p>
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