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	<title>Comments on: Jared Diamond&#8217;s &#8216;Light Elephants&#8217; and Dark Revenge In The New Yorker: The Problems of Amateur Anthropology</title>
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		<title>By: Sorting Stones &#171; Neuroanthropology</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sorting Stones &#171; Neuroanthropology</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 14:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] controversy. If I had to pick one piece for this audience, it would be Nancy Sullivan&#8217;s ‘Light Elephants’ and Dark Revenge In The New Yorker: The Problems of Amateur Anthropology. Besides covering ethical concerns, she brings a deep ethnographic appreciation from a more [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Collide-a-scape &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Collide-a-scape &#62;&#62; The New Yorker and Diamond Respond</title>
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		<dc:creator>Collide-a-scape &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Collide-a-scape &#62;&#62; The New Yorker and Diamond Respond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 10:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] talking to you, Rhonda Shearer, and to a lesser extent, you guys over at Savage Minds.  Time to [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Rhonda R Shearer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rhonda R Shearer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 04:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just heard back from UCLA --Diamond&#039;s employer. He has not had any IRB reviews for his PNG work.</description>
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		<title>By: reader1138</title>
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		<dc:creator>reader1138</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 10:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[REDACTED - Substantive comments only please. - ED]</description>
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		<title>By: Collide-a-scape &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Collide-a-scape &#62;&#62; Diamond Hunt Goes Amiss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Collide-a-scape &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Collide-a-scape &#62;&#62; Diamond Hunt Goes Amiss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 05:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] quite a spectacle over at Savage Minds, with a bunch of anthros, (apparent) journos and one sculptor/art [...]</description>
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		<title>By: jh</title>
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		<dc:creator>jh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 01:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, you are not confusing the two. But they seem to forget that they had a faculty member who is still obligated to follow his university guidelines when writing for the New Yorker. The New Yorker is not the basis on which Diamond claims his authority. But he claims to be a researcher. So he is obligated to follow protocol. If not legally (and according to the contract of his employment) then certainly ethically. 

Speaking of self representation... his degree was in physiology and biophysics, but this is conveniently forgotten on his department web page.
http://www.geog.ucla.edu/people/faculty.php?lid=3078&amp;display_one=1&amp;modify=1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, you are not confusing the two. But they seem to forget that they had a faculty member who is still obligated to follow his university guidelines when writing for the New Yorker. The New Yorker is not the basis on which Diamond claims his authority. But he claims to be a researcher. So he is obligated to follow protocol. If not legally (and according to the contract of his employment) then certainly ethically. </p>
<p>Speaking of self representation&#8230; his degree was in physiology and biophysics, but this is conveniently forgotten on his department web page.<br />
<a href="http://www.geog.ucla.edu/people/faculty.php?lid=3078&amp;display_one=1&amp;modify=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.geog.ucla.edu/people/faculty.php?lid=3078&amp;display_one=1&amp;modify=1</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rhonda R Shearer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rhonda R Shearer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 23:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jh wrote: &quot;Just curious, but did Diamond have an IRB for human subjects research?&quot;

I have asked UCLA IRB if they reviewed the research Diamond did for World Wildlife Fund (WWF) 2001-2002 in PNG (when Wemp was driving him around as a WWF employee) . When Diamond writes about this consulting work he refers to getting permission for interviewing Chevron employees in addition to the bird watching. 

I am waiting for UCLA IRB&#039;s answer.   

I do know from New Yorker editor that Diamond had no written or &quot;informed consent.&quot; She told me I was &quot;confusing&quot; journalism (which she claimed was what Dr. Diamond was doing) with science.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jh wrote: &#8220;Just curious, but did Diamond have an IRB for human subjects research?&#8221;</p>
<p>I have asked UCLA IRB if they reviewed the research Diamond did for World Wildlife Fund (WWF) 2001-2002 in PNG (when Wemp was driving him around as a WWF employee) . When Diamond writes about this consulting work he refers to getting permission for interviewing Chevron employees in addition to the bird watching. </p>
<p>I am waiting for UCLA IRB&#8217;s answer.   </p>
<p>I do know from New Yorker editor that Diamond had no written or &#8220;informed consent.&#8221; She told me I was &#8220;confusing&#8221; journalism (which she claimed was what Dr. Diamond was doing) with science.</p>
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		<title>By: been following this the whole time</title>
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		<dc:creator>been following this the whole time</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 22:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I back from her website, from which I copy and paste the relevant portion of her CV:


NAME:                              Dr. Nancy Sullivan
NATIONALITY:                USA
QUALIFICATIONS:
PhD anthropology with specialization in PNG media production (abd)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I back from her website, from which I copy and paste the relevant portion of her CV:</p>
<p>NAME:                              Dr. Nancy Sullivan<br />
NATIONALITY:                USA<br />
QUALIFICATIONS:<br />
PhD anthropology with specialization in PNG media production (abd)</p>
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		<title>By: been following this the whole time</title>
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		<dc:creator>been following this the whole time</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 22:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, you found out that she *consistently* has noted herself as the holder of a non-existent degree?  [PhD (abd)]        
I don&#039;t really see what the point of pointing that out is. 

The whole problem was that you can&#039;t *really* be a &quot;PhD (abd).&quot; the &quot;abd&quot; part makes the &quot;PhD&quot; part impossible, doesn&#039;t it?  Others were more worried that she claimed for herself the title of &quot;Dr.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, you found out that she *consistently* has noted herself as the holder of a non-existent degree?  [PhD (abd)]<br />
I don&#8217;t really see what the point of pointing that out is. </p>
<p>The whole problem was that you can&#8217;t *really* be a &#8220;PhD (abd).&#8221; the &#8220;abd&#8221; part makes the &#8220;PhD&#8221; part impossible, doesn&#8217;t it?  Others were more worried that she claimed for herself the title of &#8220;Dr.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: bonnie garner</title>
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		<dc:creator>bonnie garner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 21:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nancy Sullivan- caught being truthful!   Nancy Sullivan caught being Ethical!
   By accepting what someone posted here- without &#039;fact checking&#039; or requesting they post a link awful libelous threads were posted wrongly accusing Nancy Sullivan of misrepresenting herself on her website. Too many posts here rehashed her qualifications and weather or not she lived up to the ethical standards expected of her. Well, she did. She lived up to the ethical standards of reporting academic credentials and as we have come to learn, she has lived up to so much more.
    Using waybackmachine.org I was able to check her website postings from the very first one to the very last one. In every one I checked Nancy Sullivan listed her credentials as PhD(abd). 
    Rex, this is one reason you can&#039;t take a live and let live attitude about posters- the &quot;whatever&quot; stance you took.  Allowing posters, especially anonymous ones to make accusations of &quot;fraud&quot; is a terrible mistake. Like it or not this responsibility rests with you. 
  In light of the number of posts discussing the awful &quot;untruth&quot; here I write again: 
Nancy Sullivan caught being Ethical!   
 
Bonnie Garner</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nancy Sullivan- caught being truthful!   Nancy Sullivan caught being Ethical!<br />
   By accepting what someone posted here- without &#8216;fact checking&#8217; or requesting they post a link awful libelous threads were posted wrongly accusing Nancy Sullivan of misrepresenting herself on her website. Too many posts here rehashed her qualifications and weather or not she lived up to the ethical standards expected of her. Well, she did. She lived up to the ethical standards of reporting academic credentials and as we have come to learn, she has lived up to so much more.<br />
    Using waybackmachine.org I was able to check her website postings from the very first one to the very last one. In every one I checked Nancy Sullivan listed her credentials as PhD(abd).<br />
    Rex, this is one reason you can&#8217;t take a live and let live attitude about posters- the &#8220;whatever&#8221; stance you took.  Allowing posters, especially anonymous ones to make accusations of &#8220;fraud&#8221; is a terrible mistake. Like it or not this responsibility rests with you.<br />
  In light of the number of posts discussing the awful &#8220;untruth&#8221; here I write again:<br />
Nancy Sullivan caught being Ethical!   </p>
<p>Bonnie Garner</p>
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		<title>By: jh</title>
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		<dc:creator>jh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 19:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just curious, but did Diamond have an IRB for human subjects research?</description>
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		<title>By: been following this the whole time</title>
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		<dc:creator>been following this the whole time</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 16:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yup, Rhonda, all those things are fantastic. I am sure she is eminently qualified. She&#039;s just not credentialed.</description>
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		<title>By: David Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 15:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no doubt whatsoever that Nancy Sullivan is an extraordinarily well-qualified anthropologist, and her contribution to the Diamond issue is terrific. There seems to be no disagreement on that.

I was not in the least troubled by someone listing themself as &quot;PhD (abd)&quot; -- a small twist on reality, at worst. (Of course, for the uninitiated &quot;abd&quot; could have been interpreted as &quot;absolutely brilliant dissertation&quot;...) But when I checked Nancy&#039;s website I was more surprised to see that she does call herself &quot;Dr.&quot; Nancy Sullivan, and that is simply wrong. That mis-identification is of a different order than the PhD (abd) matter. That is a more clear misrepresentation of one&#039;s status. 

As we are moving out of the phase of a new U.S. president&#039;s nomination of so many appointees, perhaps Nancy and others will understand that the slighest whiff of dishonesty has often de-railed appointments, sometimes over minor issues that have nothing to do with the candidate&#039;s qualifications for office. I&#039;m much more sympathetic to those who question Nancy&#039;s honesty since seeing the &quot;Dr.&quot; designation -- and her explanation merely tells us why she does not have a PhD, not why she nonetheless calls herself &quot;Dr.&quot;

-- David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no doubt whatsoever that Nancy Sullivan is an extraordinarily well-qualified anthropologist, and her contribution to the Diamond issue is terrific. There seems to be no disagreement on that.</p>
<p>I was not in the least troubled by someone listing themself as &#8220;PhD (abd)&#8221; &#8212; a small twist on reality, at worst. (Of course, for the uninitiated &#8220;abd&#8221; could have been interpreted as &#8220;absolutely brilliant dissertation&#8221;&#8230;) But when I checked Nancy&#8217;s website I was more surprised to see that she does call herself &#8220;Dr.&#8221; Nancy Sullivan, and that is simply wrong. That mis-identification is of a different order than the PhD (abd) matter. That is a more clear misrepresentation of one&#8217;s status. </p>
<p>As we are moving out of the phase of a new U.S. president&#8217;s nomination of so many appointees, perhaps Nancy and others will understand that the slighest whiff of dishonesty has often de-railed appointments, sometimes over minor issues that have nothing to do with the candidate&#8217;s qualifications for office. I&#8217;m much more sympathetic to those who question Nancy&#8217;s honesty since seeing the &#8220;Dr.&#8221; designation &#8212; and her explanation merely tells us why she does not have a PhD, not why she nonetheless calls herself &#8220;Dr.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8211; David</p>
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		<title>By: Rhonda R Shearer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rhonda R Shearer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 02:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the Record:

Nancy Sullivan&#039;s  NYU PhD advisors write letters of support over the years knowing full well her degree status as PhD (ABD)--hence why, with their support and from others in anthropology, she recently won a Guggenheim. 

Therefore these claims of fraud (even suggesting that she needs to apologize to NYU) are outrageous libels and make no sense as well as serve as cruel distractions from what is real about Nancy and her work. She has earned her way in spades:  It&#039;s all on her web site: Her many grants, her work for the PNG government, her authorship and editing of books with Divine Word University, her company that trains Papua New Guinean ethnographers, her whistle-blowing reports of manufacturing plants, labour issues, corruption, and conservation in PNGand her articles about virtually all aspects of PNG popular culture. PNG Anthropologists say she speaks Tok Pisin like a native Papua New Guinean, such is her competence .</description>
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<p>Nancy Sullivan&#8217;s  NYU PhD advisors write letters of support over the years knowing full well her degree status as PhD (ABD)&#8211;hence why, with their support and from others in anthropology, she recently won a Guggenheim. </p>
<p>Therefore these claims of fraud (even suggesting that she needs to apologize to NYU) are outrageous libels and make no sense as well as serve as cruel distractions from what is real about Nancy and her work. She has earned her way in spades:  It&#8217;s all on her web site: Her many grants, her work for the PNG government, her authorship and editing of books with Divine Word University, her company that trains Papua New Guinean ethnographers, her whistle-blowing reports of manufacturing plants, labour issues, corruption, and conservation in PNGand her articles about virtually all aspects of PNG popular culture. PNG Anthropologists say she speaks Tok Pisin like a native Papua New Guinean, such is her competence .</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy Sullivan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nancy Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 23:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am reading all this discussion about my loathsome fraudulence, and because it detracts so seriously from the original issues, I do want to apologize for my claims to be PdD, even ABD, the confusion over whether the dog ate my homework, etc., and whether I am credentialed enough to confront Diamond.  Please read the essay again as a person working and living in PNG for the past 22 years.
Nancy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am reading all this discussion about my loathsome fraudulence, and because it detracts so seriously from the original issues, I do want to apologize for my claims to be PdD, even ABD, the confusion over whether the dog ate my homework, etc., and whether I am credentialed enough to confront Diamond.  Please read the essay again as a person working and living in PNG for the past 22 years.<br />
Nancy</p>
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