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		<title>By: Carl</title>
		<link>http://savageminds.org/2008/09/18/obsession-for-dfw/comment-page-1/#comment-499227</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 21:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t, John, for pleasure reading I&#039;m at the mercy of what shows up at my local thrift store or on the remainder table at B&amp;N. (Two magnificent foucauldian archaeological digs.) Do you recommend it?

Zora, that&#039;s convincing and in the last paragraph you&#039;ve accurately sussed the sources of my preference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t, John, for pleasure reading I&#8217;m at the mercy of what shows up at my local thrift store or on the remainder table at B&amp;N. (Two magnificent foucauldian archaeological digs.) Do you recommend it?</p>
<p>Zora, that&#8217;s convincing and in the last paragraph you&#8217;ve accurately sussed the sources of my preference.
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		<title>By: John McCreery</title>
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		<dc:creator>John McCreery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 12:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone here tackled The Baroque Cycle trilogy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone here tackled The Baroque Cycle trilogy?
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		<title>By: Zora</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 21:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm. I briefly considered picking Snow Crash rather than Cryptonomicon. Points to consider:

SN:
1) US excels in pizza delivery and software
2) mini-nationalities
3) floating refugee camp
4) Gibsonian virtual world
5) implausible linguistic McGuffin

Cryto:
1) all-purpose business plan
2) vulnerability of net to cable-cutting nations
3) cryptography
4) history with Nazis
5) how to eat Cap&#039;n Crunch
6) how to divide household equipment equitably

SN, while charming and revelatory, particularly on counts 1, 2, and 3, doesn&#039;t work on counts 4 and 5. SOD (suspension of disbelief) fails. 

Crypto, however, is plausible, as is the net it depicts. All-purpose business plan tells you all you need to know about the dotcom bubble. 3 is informative, 4 is an intriguing mixture of historical fact and invention. 5 and 6 are amusing, inconsequential, and immediately plausible. SOD is not violated. 

Verdict: Crypto over SN. 

However, if you&#039;re interested in SN 2 and 3, nationalism and its failures, then you might pick SN. (Nationalism, idea of &quot;a&quot; culture, same roots, hence of interest to anthropologists.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm. I briefly considered picking Snow Crash rather than Cryptonomicon. Points to consider:</p>
<p>SN:<br />
1) US excels in pizza delivery and software<br />
2) mini-nationalities<br />
3) floating refugee camp<br />
4) Gibsonian virtual world<br />
5) implausible linguistic McGuffin</p>
<p>Cryto:<br />
1) all-purpose business plan<br />
2) vulnerability of net to cable-cutting nations<br />
3) cryptography<br />
4) history with Nazis<br />
5) how to eat Cap&#8217;n Crunch<br />
6) how to divide household equipment equitably</p>
<p>SN, while charming and revelatory, particularly on counts 1, 2, and 3, doesn&#8217;t work on counts 4 and 5. SOD (suspension of disbelief) fails. </p>
<p>Crypto, however, is plausible, as is the net it depicts. All-purpose business plan tells you all you need to know about the dotcom bubble. 3 is informative, 4 is an intriguing mixture of historical fact and invention. 5 and 6 are amusing, inconsequential, and immediately plausible. SOD is not violated. </p>
<p>Verdict: Crypto over SN. </p>
<p>However, if you&#8217;re interested in SN 2 and 3, nationalism and its failures, then you might pick SN. (Nationalism, idea of &#8220;a&#8221; culture, same roots, hence of interest to anthropologists.)
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 16:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harrumph! Zora, surely you don&#039;t mean to compare that crass geek self-parody to the smooth glistening chic of Snow Crash (or Mona Lisa Overdrive for that matter)? Kids these days. We&#039;re all going to hell in a hard drive. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harrumph! Zora, surely you don&#8217;t mean to compare that crass geek self-parody to the smooth glistening chic of Snow Crash (or Mona Lisa Overdrive for that matter)? Kids these days. We&#8217;re all going to hell in a hard drive. ;-)
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		<title>By: Zora</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 05:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mere literary byways! The book that truly expresses the temper of the times is Stephenson&#039;s _Cryptonomicon_.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mere literary byways! The book that truly expresses the temper of the times is Stephenson&#8217;s _Cryptonomicon_.
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great stuff. Now for some intersubjectivity.

I was the friend who quickly tired of your drama thinly packaged as ennui, but hung around because of the undeniable intelligence and the undertone of frantic comedy. In my cohort the dramatists&#039; text was Kerouac&#039;s On the Road, with a side-helping of Steal This Book, both of them years after the fact and neither of which to this day I am sure anyone had actually read.

Thus imagining myself inoculated with a certain irony toward the pose inherent in the form, when later I came across Gravity&#039;s Rainbow its headlong, non-linear, paranoid dash through a transparently manipulative series of preposterous gross-out moments for suburban sensibilities just seemed like a logical way to play fools for fools. Not that the fools keep reading, so of course my hip cred gets a big bump here from my colleagues in the English Dept. who can&#039;t believe I finished it, let alone rereading it, and are forced to take my word for it that it&#039;s a brilliant meditation on the psychosis of social collapse. Hip cred being the payoff, which even I must admit is a degeneracy compared to obsession.

And along those lines I am soooo way ahead of you because although I haven&#039;t read DFW, nothing you say convinces me he&#039;s anything but a genre derivative of the Beats or Pynchon; which he may well be; but isn&#039;t that what the hipster Tristram Shandy groupies would think about my generation&#039;s batch of prolix rebels?

By now you know I&#039;m teasing you, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great stuff. Now for some intersubjectivity.</p>
<p>I was the friend who quickly tired of your drama thinly packaged as ennui, but hung around because of the undeniable intelligence and the undertone of frantic comedy. In my cohort the dramatists&#8217; text was Kerouac&#8217;s On the Road, with a side-helping of Steal This Book, both of them years after the fact and neither of which to this day I am sure anyone had actually read.</p>
<p>Thus imagining myself inoculated with a certain irony toward the pose inherent in the form, when later I came across Gravity&#8217;s Rainbow its headlong, non-linear, paranoid dash through a transparently manipulative series of preposterous gross-out moments for suburban sensibilities just seemed like a logical way to play fools for fools. Not that the fools keep reading, so of course my hip cred gets a big bump here from my colleagues in the English Dept. who can&#8217;t believe I finished it, let alone rereading it, and are forced to take my word for it that it&#8217;s a brilliant meditation on the psychosis of social collapse. Hip cred being the payoff, which even I must admit is a degeneracy compared to obsession.</p>
<p>And along those lines I am soooo way ahead of you because although I haven&#8217;t read DFW, nothing you say convinces me he&#8217;s anything but a genre derivative of the Beats or Pynchon; which he may well be; but isn&#8217;t that what the hipster Tristram Shandy groupies would think about my generation&#8217;s batch of prolix rebels?</p>
<p>By now you know I&#8217;m teasing you, right?
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		<title>By: Rex</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 06:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@John:

/me nods</description>
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<p>/me nods
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		<title>By: Kerim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kerim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 05:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I enjoyed reading this &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.marginalia.org/dfw_kenyon_commencement.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;commencement speech&lt;/a&gt; by DFW.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoyed reading this <a href="http://www.marginalia.org/dfw_kenyon_commencement.html" rel="nofollow">commencement speech</a> by DFW.
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		<title>By: John McCreery</title>
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		<dc:creator>John McCreery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 04:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beautiful. &quot;Mesearch&quot; at its best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beautiful. &#8220;Mesearch&#8221; at its best.
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