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		<title>By: Megan</title>
		<link>http://savageminds.org/2008/03/17/the-slow-writing-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-269127</link>
		<dc:creator>Megan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 19:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Different people, even in the same dicipline, work in different ways too.  I happen to be a quick writer, I can only write in spurts of caffine-fueled all-nighters.  Other people write a paragraph a day.  I could never do that, it is totally incomprehensible to me. Neither is morally superior.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Different people, even in the same dicipline, work in different ways too.  I happen to be a quick writer, I can only write in spurts of caffine-fueled all-nighters.  Other people write a paragraph a day.  I could never do that, it is totally incomprehensible to me. Neither is morally superior.</p>
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		<title>By: Rex</title>
		<link>http://savageminds.org/2008/03/17/the-slow-writing-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-252355</link>
		<dc:creator>Rex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve written in the past about slow versus fast studying and the ways that scanning/browsing versus deep immersion in a text are complementary, not oppositional. I feel the same way about writing. There&#039;s nothing wrong with writing numerous short pieces that describe the outcomes of your research the way that natural scientists do and some anthropologists used do -- &quot;An Unusual Prayerstick from Acoma Pueblo&quot; or &quot;The 2007 Elections in Tari: What Happened&quot;. Equally longer, slower thinking results in longer slower works. Truth and Method is a sort of good example here -- it took Gadamer 60 years to write the book, and boy was it worth it.

The thing about Water&#039;s argument that gives me pause -- which is different from disagreement -- is the sense that there is one natural, virtuous way to do scholarship, and we must make our genres fit that. I think the question is what sort of genre enables what sort of work, and how we want to incorporate each of them into our scholarly projects given the fact we are coming up with new and potentially useful genres all the time. I DO think, however, that forcing slow thought into fast genres is a mistake, so I think I agree with Waters on that score.

As far as these dark details can be discerned, my department could tenure me if I do nothing about articles, since we are a four-field school and think books are for &#039;humanists&#039;. And I don&#039;t look forward to writing a book since the last two I wrote just about killed me. But I want to write one because I have something booklength inside of me that is trying to come out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve written in the past about slow versus fast studying and the ways that scanning/browsing versus deep immersion in a text are complementary, not oppositional. I feel the same way about writing. There&#8217;s nothing wrong with writing numerous short pieces that describe the outcomes of your research the way that natural scientists do and some anthropologists used do &#8212; &#8220;An Unusual Prayerstick from Acoma Pueblo&#8221; or &#8220;The 2007 Elections in Tari: What Happened&#8221;. Equally longer, slower thinking results in longer slower works. Truth and Method is a sort of good example here &#8212; it took Gadamer 60 years to write the book, and boy was it worth it.</p>
<p>The thing about Water&#8217;s argument that gives me pause &#8212; which is different from disagreement &#8212; is the sense that there is one natural, virtuous way to do scholarship, and we must make our genres fit that. I think the question is what sort of genre enables what sort of work, and how we want to incorporate each of them into our scholarly projects given the fact we are coming up with new and potentially useful genres all the time. I DO think, however, that forcing slow thought into fast genres is a mistake, so I think I agree with Waters on that score.</p>
<p>As far as these dark details can be discerned, my department could tenure me if I do nothing about articles, since we are a four-field school and think books are for &#8216;humanists&#8217;. And I don&#8217;t look forward to writing a book since the last two I wrote just about killed me. But I want to write one because I have something booklength inside of me that is trying to come out.</p>
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		<title>By: ckelty</title>
		<link>http://savageminds.org/2008/03/17/the-slow-writing-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-251318</link>
		<dc:creator>ckelty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 21:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me, that would be a no-brainer.  The hard case is when a scholar has 1 or 2 original articles in obscure places that no one has cited (probably because no one can find them because the journal is behind multiple pay walls and not very many libraries subscribe to it).  The articles may be excellent, and they may represent 2 different and substantial research projects, but they aren&#039;t making an impact.  How does one measure the success of the projects then?  I&#039;m tempted to say its a failure of the department and the university to promote a young scholar&#039;s work, not the failure of the scholar. 

By contrast, the other hard case is a scholar with 30-odd &quot;essays&quot; on every conceivable topic, some of which are widely read, but which represent only a kind of hyper-productive op-ed mentality... not serious research projects.  What then?  How does one argue against the hyper-productive scholar who is hyper-productive precisely for all the reasons Water&#039;s mentions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me, that would be a no-brainer.  The hard case is when a scholar has 1 or 2 original articles in obscure places that no one has cited (probably because no one can find them because the journal is behind multiple pay walls and not very many libraries subscribe to it).  The articles may be excellent, and they may represent 2 different and substantial research projects, but they aren&#8217;t making an impact.  How does one measure the success of the projects then?  I&#8217;m tempted to say its a failure of the department and the university to promote a young scholar&#8217;s work, not the failure of the scholar. </p>
<p>By contrast, the other hard case is a scholar with 30-odd &#8220;essays&#8221; on every conceivable topic, some of which are widely read, but which represent only a kind of hyper-productive op-ed mentality&#8230; not serious research projects.  What then?  How does one argue against the hyper-productive scholar who is hyper-productive precisely for all the reasons Water&#8217;s mentions?</p>
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		<title>By: P.doc</title>
		<link>http://savageminds.org/2008/03/17/the-slow-writing-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-251294</link>
		<dc:creator>P.doc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 20:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Chris that the important issue isn&#039;t one of genre/format (essay vs. book) but of how we measure productivity more broadly and of the institutional conditions which have to be changed if we want to curb the inflationary culture of overpublication (or whatever we want to call it). Also, the ethnographic monograph allows you to immerse readers in social worlds through an imaginative experience similar to the experience of a good novel...obviously, only when very well written.

Having said that (and this has been discussed on this site, I believe), it would be great to see some real attempts to change the over-valuation of the monograph--and particularly the fact that a monograph (or two) is a de facto prerequisite for tenure in most departments.  I often get the sense that if you mention that you&#039;re not sure whether there&#039;s a worthwhile book in your dissertation, fellow p.docs and others assume you&#039;re not a serious scholar.  &quot;Yeah, uh, I&#039;m working on my manuscript...&quot;

But a serious question for those of you with tenure-track jobs: would you support the tenure bid of a colleague who had no monograph, but had published a series of excellent and influential articles?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Chris that the important issue isn&#8217;t one of genre/format (essay vs. book) but of how we measure productivity more broadly and of the institutional conditions which have to be changed if we want to curb the inflationary culture of overpublication (or whatever we want to call it). Also, the ethnographic monograph allows you to immerse readers in social worlds through an imaginative experience similar to the experience of a good novel&#8230;obviously, only when very well written.</p>
<p>Having said that (and this has been discussed on this site, I believe), it would be great to see some real attempts to change the over-valuation of the monograph&#8211;and particularly the fact that a monograph (or two) is a de facto prerequisite for tenure in most departments.  I often get the sense that if you mention that you&#8217;re not sure whether there&#8217;s a worthwhile book in your dissertation, fellow p.docs and others assume you&#8217;re not a serious scholar.  &#8220;Yeah, uh, I&#8217;m working on my manuscript&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>But a serious question for those of you with tenure-track jobs: would you support the tenure bid of a colleague who had no monograph, but had published a series of excellent and influential articles?</p>
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		<title>By: ckelty</title>
		<link>http://savageminds.org/2008/03/17/the-slow-writing-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-251247</link>
		<dc:creator>ckelty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 20:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem I had with this article is its provocation that everyone (i.e. in the humanities) should be writing essays (and good ones) not books.  What difference would it make?  Assuming everyone switched we&#039;d have a lot of bad essays instead of a lot of bad books, and I don&#039;t follow why that is better, except perhaps for the trees (and given how many bad essays I print out, I don&#039;t buy that arg for a second).

Assuming a miracle happened and all these essays were really good (by whatever weird criteria of good Waters is using), I still don&#039;t see this as solving a problem.  I would like to live in a world where all essays were good, but I&#039;m not sure quite how to describe why we need that, rather than say, better teaching and more money.

The problem I see is quite different:  coordination of research fields.  Water&#039;s model is still a model of the individual scholar &quot;owning&quot; something, only instead of a book that claims to own or invent new ideas, it&#039;s an essay.  What we need are ways for scholars in the humanities and social sciences to discover ways to coordinate and share research work, to work collectively on issues and ideas, and to publish in targeted and meaningful ways that advance those goals, without sacrificing &quot;creativity&quot; and the competition that allows scholars to distinguish themselves. And most importantly, good criteria for evaluating the validity of an essay or book which are independently shared and available to argue about.  I think, though, that I&#039;m iin agreement that a Slow Scholarship movement is in order.  George Marcus once wrote a nice piece on this &quot;On the Unbearable Slowness of being an anthropologist&quot;

One of the comments on the piece points out that physicists regard &lt;em&gt;only&lt;/em&gt; papers as evidence of work, and are routinely in the position of assessing a paper on which a scholar has been one of hundreds of authors... one can only boggle at the hermeneutic sophistication that must be necessary to do so in that case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem I had with this article is its provocation that everyone (i.e. in the humanities) should be writing essays (and good ones) not books.  What difference would it make?  Assuming everyone switched we&#8217;d have a lot of bad essays instead of a lot of bad books, and I don&#8217;t follow why that is better, except perhaps for the trees (and given how many bad essays I print out, I don&#8217;t buy that arg for a second).</p>
<p>Assuming a miracle happened and all these essays were really good (by whatever weird criteria of good Waters is using), I still don&#8217;t see this as solving a problem.  I would like to live in a world where all essays were good, but I&#8217;m not sure quite how to describe why we need that, rather than say, better teaching and more money.</p>
<p>The problem I see is quite different:  coordination of research fields.  Water&#8217;s model is still a model of the individual scholar &#8220;owning&#8221; something, only instead of a book that claims to own or invent new ideas, it&#8217;s an essay.  What we need are ways for scholars in the humanities and social sciences to discover ways to coordinate and share research work, to work collectively on issues and ideas, and to publish in targeted and meaningful ways that advance those goals, without sacrificing &#8220;creativity&#8221; and the competition that allows scholars to distinguish themselves. And most importantly, good criteria for evaluating the validity of an essay or book which are independently shared and available to argue about.  I think, though, that I&#8217;m iin agreement that a Slow Scholarship movement is in order.  George Marcus once wrote a nice piece on this &#8220;On the Unbearable Slowness of being an anthropologist&#8221;</p>
<p>One of the comments on the piece points out that physicists regard <em>only</em> papers as evidence of work, and are routinely in the position of assessing a paper on which a scholar has been one of hundreds of authors&#8230; one can only boggle at the hermeneutic sophistication that must be necessary to do so in that case.</p>
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