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		<title>By: Tracking The Intervention: Discarding and devaluing Aboriginal work &#171; Larvatus Prodeo in exile</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tracking The Intervention: Discarding and devaluing Aboriginal work &#171; Larvatus Prodeo in exile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 05:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] more background on this, check out the potted history at Savage Minds, and the Central Land Council&#8217;s [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Tracking The Intervention: Discarding and devaluing Aboriginal work at Hoyden About Town</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tracking The Intervention: Discarding and devaluing Aboriginal work at Hoyden About Town</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 02:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] more background on this, check out the potted history at Savage Minds, and the Central Land Council&#8217;s [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Kerim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kerim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 23:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting, the link to privatization of property relations sounds a lot like &lt;a href=&quot;http://savageminds.org/2007/11/02/seeing-like-an-economist/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Shock Doctrine&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting, the link to privatization of property relations sounds a lot like <a href="http://savageminds.org/2007/11/02/seeing-like-an-economist/" rel="nofollow">The Shock Doctrine</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Jangari</title>
		<link>http://savageminds.org/2007/11/04/indigenous-crisis-states-and-emergencies/comment-page-1/#comment-139552</link>
		<dc:creator>Jangari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 23:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree there, I think Labor just know how much of a wedge issue it could be, and this election campaign is, in my memory at least, the closest the two parties have ever been on policy. The only differences are Iraq and industrial relations. Elsewhere (I&#039;m sure you know this) they&#039;ve basically mirrored the government&#039;s policy to avoid wedge politics as much as possible. 

I just have to assume, for my own sanity, that Labor have a better holistic world view in these regards, especially in the sorts of aspects that don&#039;t translate well into election-campaign policy teasers. I mean to say that they may be substantively close to the government on most areas of indigenous affairs, but may place a greater importance on bilingual education, for example, or for the recognition of the rights of indigenous people, self determination, the social value (rather than fiscal value) of community-based living, etc., all of the things that the government reject, but not publicly - you sort of have to sift through the policies and know a great deal of background on all ministers (and have a healthy degree of cynicism) to see it.

I&#039;m sure you know what I mean, having been around and about, more or less, for over ten years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree there, I think Labor just know how much of a wedge issue it could be, and this election campaign is, in my memory at least, the closest the two parties have ever been on policy. The only differences are Iraq and industrial relations. Elsewhere (I&#8217;m sure you know this) they&#8217;ve basically mirrored the government&#8217;s policy to avoid wedge politics as much as possible. </p>
<p>I just have to assume, for my own sanity, that Labor have a better holistic world view in these regards, especially in the sorts of aspects that don&#8217;t translate well into election-campaign policy teasers. I mean to say that they may be substantively close to the government on most areas of indigenous affairs, but may place a greater importance on bilingual education, for example, or for the recognition of the rights of indigenous people, self determination, the social value (rather than fiscal value) of community-based living, etc., all of the things that the government reject, but not publicly &#8211; you sort of have to sift through the policies and know a great deal of background on all ministers (and have a healthy degree of cynicism) to see it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure you know what I mean, having been around and about, more or less, for over ten years.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 14:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jangari,
I think you are right, indifference is probably more what the &quot;public&quot; feels, if one can monitor such things. As I was leaving a few weeks ago it did seem that the news was trickling out of the NT and into the &quot;mainstream.&quot; The mainstream news outlets still seem to be backing the intervention though, I think. At least in a sort of &quot;something had to be done&quot; sort of way. I wish Rudd would define Labor&#039;s position more clearly. I know he says he will maintain the intervention--but in the same guise? With Chalmers in command?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jangari,<br />
I think you are right, indifference is probably more what the &#8220;public&#8221; feels, if one can monitor such things. As I was leaving a few weeks ago it did seem that the news was trickling out of the NT and into the &#8220;mainstream.&#8221; The mainstream news outlets still seem to be backing the intervention though, I think. At least in a sort of &#8220;something had to be done&#8221; sort of way. I wish Rudd would define Labor&#8217;s position more clearly. I know he says he will maintain the intervention&#8211;but in the same guise? With Chalmers in command?</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 01:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LL,
Yes I picked up a copy in the Sydney airport of all places!  I&#039;ve only read the first two chapters, but it looks like a great resource (it only covers the first two months of the intervention though). For a thoughtful review see Will Owen&#039;s review on his blog:Aboriginal Art and Culture: An American Eye
http://homepage.mac.com/will_owen/iblog/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LL,<br />
Yes I picked up a copy in the Sydney airport of all places!  I&#8217;ve only read the first two chapters, but it looks like a great resource (it only covers the first two months of the intervention though). For a thoughtful review see Will Owen&#8217;s review on his blog:Aboriginal Art and Culture: An American Eye<br />
<a href="http://homepage.mac.com/will_owen/iblog/" rel="nofollow">http://homepage.mac.com/will_owen/iblog/</a></p>
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		<title>By: L.L. Wynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>L.L. Wynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 01:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Kim, for lucidly placing this recent attack on indigenous autonomy in historical and political perspective.  I learned a lot from your post.  Nursel Guzeldeniz at Culture Matters reports that a book has been quickly published to address the Howard government’s intervention in the Northern Territory: Coercive Reconciliation: Stabilise, Normalise, Exit Aboriginal Australia, edited by Jon Altman and Melinda Hinkson.  Have you had a look at this?  Was wondering what you thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Kim, for lucidly placing this recent attack on indigenous autonomy in historical and political perspective.  I learned a lot from your post.  Nursel Guzeldeniz at Culture Matters reports that a book has been quickly published to address the Howard government’s intervention in the Northern Territory: Coercive Reconciliation: Stabilise, Normalise, Exit Aboriginal Australia, edited by Jon Altman and Melinda Hinkson.  Have you had a look at this?  Was wondering what you thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 21:19:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Strong-
(Third time is a charm, hopefully this will post, I&#039;ll add the url links above in the post b/c the comments doesn&#039;t seemt to like them!).

Labor has backed the intervention and the legislation from day one. There is an election on though and so people in Australia tell me that the Labor party doesn&#039;t want the intervention to become a &quot;wedge&quot; issue. But as of today, Kevin Rudd, the leader for Labor, has pledged to keep on keepin&#039; on with the intervention (see Rudd link above).

However, several Labor politicians from the NT have denounced the intervention. Most recently  Marion Scrymgour the first Aboriginal female Cabinet minister in an Australian Government. About a week ago she gave a scathing speech, here&#039;s a tidbit:

&quot;John Howard and Malcolm Brough, this evening I am doing far more than merely criticising you and your government&#039;s assault on Aboriginal Territorians, I am condemning its motivation; I am condemning its operations; and I am condemning-outright-its moral basis and the moral authority you purport to exercise in &quot;saving the children&quot;.&quot;

(read or listen at the link above).

I haven&#039;t heard much from others in the Pacific or elsewhere condeming the intervention. Some Maori groups have. I don&#039;t think it has made &quot;mainstream&quot; news outlets outside Australia...any one else see anything?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strong-<br />
(Third time is a charm, hopefully this will post, I&#8217;ll add the url links above in the post b/c the comments doesn&#8217;t seemt to like them!).</p>
<p>Labor has backed the intervention and the legislation from day one. There is an election on though and so people in Australia tell me that the Labor party doesn&#8217;t want the intervention to become a &#8220;wedge&#8221; issue. But as of today, Kevin Rudd, the leader for Labor, has pledged to keep on keepin&#8217; on with the intervention (see Rudd link above).</p>
<p>However, several Labor politicians from the NT have denounced the intervention. Most recently  Marion Scrymgour the first Aboriginal female Cabinet minister in an Australian Government. About a week ago she gave a scathing speech, here&#8217;s a tidbit:</p>
<p>&#8220;John Howard and Malcolm Brough, this evening I am doing far more than merely criticising you and your government&#8217;s assault on Aboriginal Territorians, I am condemning its motivation; I am condemning its operations; and I am condemning-outright-its moral basis and the moral authority you purport to exercise in &#8220;saving the children&#8221;.&#8221;</p>
<p>(read or listen at the link above).</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t heard much from others in the Pacific or elsewhere condeming the intervention. Some Maori groups have. I don&#8217;t think it has made &#8220;mainstream&#8221; news outlets outside Australia&#8230;any one else see anything?</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 20:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Strong,
I posted this earlier this morning but it didn&#039;t come through...so here goes again.

The Labor party has supported the intervention and the legislation from day one. There is an election going on and apparently to avoid a &quot;wedge&quot; Labor is going along with the Coalition on this one. Kevin Rudd the Labor party leader has said he will continue if Labor gets in at the end of November (see this news story today).

Several NT Labor politicians, however, have come out against it. At the beginning of October Labor leaders said they would reinstate CDEP if elected (see my blog post here. Most recently, Marion Scrymgour--the first Aboriginal female Cabinet Minister in an Australain government, gave a scathing speech condeming the intervention:

&quot;John Howard and Malcolm Brough, this evening I am doing far more than merely criticising you and your government&#039;s assault on Aboriginal Territorians, I am condemning its motivation; I am condemning its operations; and I am condemning-outright-its moral basis and the moral authority you purport to exercise in &quot;saving the children&quot;

As for Pacific leaders, some Maori groups have condemed the intervention, but I haven&#039;t heard anytyhing else--It seems to have barely made the news outside Australia, except through indigenous activist networks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Strong,<br />
I posted this earlier this morning but it didn&#8217;t come through&#8230;so here goes again.</p>
<p>The Labor party has supported the intervention and the legislation from day one. There is an election going on and apparently to avoid a &#8220;wedge&#8221; Labor is going along with the Coalition on this one. Kevin Rudd the Labor party leader has said he will continue if Labor gets in at the end of November (see this news story today).</p>
<p>Several NT Labor politicians, however, have come out against it. At the beginning of October Labor leaders said they would reinstate CDEP if elected (see my blog post here. Most recently, Marion Scrymgour&#8211;the first Aboriginal female Cabinet Minister in an Australain government, gave a scathing speech condeming the intervention:</p>
<p>&#8220;John Howard and Malcolm Brough, this evening I am doing far more than merely criticising you and your government&#8217;s assault on Aboriginal Territorians, I am condemning its motivation; I am condemning its operations; and I am condemning-outright-its moral basis and the moral authority you purport to exercise in &#8220;saving the children&#8221;</p>
<p>As for Pacific leaders, some Maori groups have condemed the intervention, but I haven&#8217;t heard anytyhing else&#8211;It seems to have barely made the news outside Australia, except through indigenous activist networks.</p>
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		<title>By: Jangari</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jangari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 11:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post, Kim. Though I must say I don&#039;t think the greater public is very much &#039;behind&#039; the intervention. Rather I think the mood in the Australian hoi polloi is one of indifference, typically.

But things are beginning to change, as increasingly, news from the Territory is hitting front middle pages, and then of course there are us bloggers, doing as much as we possibly can. Tonight&#039;s Four Corners had a very interesting report (transcript here) from Maningrida and Finke about how the intervention has progressed so far. I plan to post something about it, but not tonight.

It was great to see though, since it was the first time my family have seen even a little bit of what I&#039;ve been harking on about for the past four months. The stresses on the Finke community store, where the manager has become an unpaid Centrelink accountant, or the orchard gardeners who used to be paid on CDEP, who can now sit back and live on the pittence that is the dole, or work their normal 25 hours a week for an extra, wait for it, $8.25 per fortnight, in &quot;CDEP transition&quot; top-up.

Strong, the leader of the Maori party in New Zealand (I can&#039;t remember the actual name of the party nor his name) was very critical of the entire saga, for one. The opposition have given their &#039;in principle&#039; support, but have promised, if elected in three weeks&#039; time, to roll back the changes to the CDEP program and re-instate the permit system, which, typically, has been dismissed by the government as (take your pick) a backflip, showing weakness, letting pedophiles win, etc. These are the bully-boy tactics that Kim referred to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post, Kim. Though I must say I don&#8217;t think the greater public is very much &#8216;behind&#8217; the intervention. Rather I think the mood in the Australian hoi polloi is one of indifference, typically.</p>
<p>But things are beginning to change, as increasingly, news from the Territory is hitting front middle pages, and then of course there are us bloggers, doing as much as we possibly can. Tonight&#8217;s Four Corners had a very interesting report (transcript here) from Maningrida and Finke about how the intervention has progressed so far. I plan to post something about it, but not tonight.</p>
<p>It was great to see though, since it was the first time my family have seen even a little bit of what I&#8217;ve been harking on about for the past four months. The stresses on the Finke community store, where the manager has become an unpaid Centrelink accountant, or the orchard gardeners who used to be paid on CDEP, who can now sit back and live on the pittence that is the dole, or work their normal 25 hours a week for an extra, wait for it, $8.25 per fortnight, in &#8220;CDEP transition&#8221; top-up.</p>
<p>Strong, the leader of the Maori party in New Zealand (I can&#8217;t remember the actual name of the party nor his name) was very critical of the entire saga, for one. The opposition have given their &#8216;in principle&#8217; support, but have promised, if elected in three weeks&#8217; time, to roll back the changes to the CDEP program and re-instate the permit system, which, typically, has been dismissed by the government as (take your pick) a backflip, showing weakness, letting pedophiles win, etc. These are the bully-boy tactics that Kim referred to.</p>
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		<title>By: Strong</title>
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		<dc:creator>Strong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 11:29:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Kim, Thanks for coming over to SM for a bit -- we are glad to have you.

bq. But what they have managed to pull off is a relatively uncontested (the majority of the Australian public is still behind the intervention and there has been scant international coverage, let alone criticism) upending of indigenous rights.

I am curious about who all in Australia may be criticizing the intervention, outside the &#039;Indigenous sector&#039;.  What does Opposition say?  Also, does anyone know if or how other regional (Pacific) politicians and activists have responded?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kim, Thanks for coming over to SM for a bit &#8212; we are glad to have you.</p>
<p>bq. But what they have managed to pull off is a relatively uncontested (the majority of the Australian public is still behind the intervention and there has been scant international coverage, let alone criticism) upending of indigenous rights.</p>
<p>I am curious about who all in Australia may be criticizing the intervention, outside the &#8216;Indigenous sector&#8217;.  What does Opposition say?  Also, does anyone know if or how other regional (Pacific) politicians and activists have responded?</p>
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