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	<title>Comments on: Pluto Press and U. of Michigan Retain Business Ties</title>
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		<title>By: Emmet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emmet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 00:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not all Pluto books fall into the political category.  They also publish Israel Shahak who wrote viciously anti-Semitic books, replete with blood libels, accusations of Jews deliberately murdering non-Jews on rabbinic advice, and medieval canards about the nefarious contents of the Talmud.  (Yes, Shahak was born Jewish)

I really can see why a State University may not wish to ba associated with a publisher that is comfortable keeping blood libel in print.  Although Pluto is avowedly Socialits, it seems to hve some campitalist motivations here.  Shahak sells good numbers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not all Pluto books fall into the political category.  They also publish Israel Shahak who wrote viciously anti-Semitic books, replete with blood libels, accusations of Jews deliberately murdering non-Jews on rabbinic advice, and medieval canards about the nefarious contents of the Talmud.  (Yes, Shahak was born Jewish)</p>
<p>I really can see why a State University may not wish to ba associated with a publisher that is comfortable keeping blood libel in print.  Although Pluto is avowedly Socialits, it seems to hve some campitalist motivations here.  Shahak sells good numbers.</p>
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		<title>By: oneman</title>
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		<dc:creator>oneman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 12:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SeaPixy: as I understand my contract, e-rights would be included in &quot;other distribution&quot; where Pluto acts as a broker with other distributors and/or publishers.  It&#039;s a right like translation rights -- if they can find a press that wants to translate or release it in a new market, they arrange the deal and take a cut.

I will start putting together something on the process of creating and getting published an edited volume in the near future -- right now, I&#039;m neck-deep in the last set of tasks before it goes to the printer, so that&#039;s got most my attention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SeaPixy: as I understand my contract, e-rights would be included in &#8220;other distribution&#8221; where Pluto acts as a broker with other distributors and/or publishers.  It&#8217;s a right like translation rights &#8212; if they can find a press that wants to translate or release it in a new market, they arrange the deal and take a cut.</p>
<p>I will start putting together something on the process of creating and getting published an edited volume in the near future &#8212; right now, I&#8217;m neck-deep in the last set of tasks before it goes to the printer, so that&#8217;s got most my attention.</p>
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		<title>By: seapixy</title>
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		<dc:creator>seapixy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 15:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It fascinates me that people continue to consider books just, well, &quot;books&quot;. You mention &quot;print runs&quot;, &quot;distribution&quot;, and &quot;press run of thousands&quot;; Pluto Publishing&#039;s site lists alternative bindings - an ebook subscription called &quot;The Academic Library&quot; and POD (print on demand) for select backlist titles. Many universities are going digital, so my question is: will your book be included in their ebook subscription repository? Perhaps some professors may want to adopt the electronic version rather than print (or what is more common is for students to request the online version). Making your book available in ebook format also increases distribution - perhaps Pluto has  arrangements with 3rd party distributors like MyiLibrary and Ebrary. If they have POD capability for backlist titles, I&#039;d imagine that at some point they&#039;ll make it so for new titles as well, instead of printing thousands of copies that languish in a warehouse somewhere and costing publishers a fortune to maintain. With POD nothing ever goes out of print (google &quot;long tail&quot;) and those who still want print books are satisfied.

If I were publishing a book today I&#039;d really consider the publisher&#039;s ability to distribute electronically, not through print books-- that&#039;s where authors have the greatest chance of getting their works read.

Oneman: what about writing a post having to do with your publishing experience? Perhaps a mini-publishing ethnography from an anthro point of view? I&#039;m sure many here would be interested to hear it, compare notes, and learn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It fascinates me that people continue to consider books just, well, &#8220;books&#8221;. You mention &#8220;print runs&#8221;, &#8220;distribution&#8221;, and &#8220;press run of thousands&#8221;; Pluto Publishing&#8217;s site lists alternative bindings &#8211; an ebook subscription called &#8220;The Academic Library&#8221; and POD (print on demand) for select backlist titles. Many universities are going digital, so my question is: will your book be included in their ebook subscription repository? Perhaps some professors may want to adopt the electronic version rather than print (or what is more common is for students to request the online version). Making your book available in ebook format also increases distribution &#8211; perhaps Pluto has  arrangements with 3rd party distributors like MyiLibrary and Ebrary. If they have POD capability for backlist titles, I&#8217;d imagine that at some point they&#8217;ll make it so for new titles as well, instead of printing thousands of copies that languish in a warehouse somewhere and costing publishers a fortune to maintain. With POD nothing ever goes out of print (google &#8220;long tail&#8221;) and those who still want print books are satisfied.</p>
<p>If I were publishing a book today I&#8217;d really consider the publisher&#8217;s ability to distribute electronically, not through print books&#8211; that&#8217;s where authors have the greatest chance of getting their works read.</p>
<p>Oneman: what about writing a post having to do with your publishing experience? Perhaps a mini-publishing ethnography from an anthro point of view? I&#8217;m sure many here would be interested to hear it, compare notes, and learn.</p>
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		<title>By: anthropogirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>anthropogirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear MJ/UB40: you claim to be able to distinguish between anti-Semitic and anti-Zionist arguments, but I&#039;m not sure how you can make this claim when you reference Shahak as your example. Israel Shahak was born a Polish Jew and later became a citizen of Israel after surviving over two years in the Bergen-Belsen camp. He was always an important critic of Israeli state policies, but he was never anti-Semitic. If you can&#039;t make this simple distinction in the case of Shahak, I find it very unrealistic that you would be able to make this distinction elsewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear MJ/UB40: you claim to be able to distinguish between anti-Semitic and anti-Zionist arguments, but I&#8217;m not sure how you can make this claim when you reference Shahak as your example. Israel Shahak was born a Polish Jew and later became a citizen of Israel after surviving over two years in the Bergen-Belsen camp. He was always an important critic of Israeli state policies, but he was never anti-Semitic. If you can&#8217;t make this simple distinction in the case of Shahak, I find it very unrealistic that you would be able to make this distinction elsewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Laurie King-Irani</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laurie King-Irani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 05:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The command to do justice and only justice is from Deuteronomy, not Ecclesiastes.</description>
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		<title>By: Laurie King-Irani</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laurie King-Irani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 05:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Human Rights Watch today criticized Israel for cutting all electrical and gas supplies to the Gaza strip, a violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention&#039;s prohibition on collective punishment. 

Here&#039;s a recent cultural geography/urban studies/anthro study of mixed cities and structural violence in Israel that might help clarify some things.

Mixed Towns, Trapped Communities
Historical Narratives, Spatial Dynamics, Gender Relations and Cultural Encounters in Palestinian-Israeli Towns
Daniel Monterescu and Dan Rabinowitz
Series: Re-materialising Cultural Geography


Modern urban spaces are, by definition, mixed socio-spatial configurations. In many ways, their enduring success and vitality lie in the richness of their ethnic texture and ongoing exchange of economic goods, cultural practices, political ideas and social movements. This mixture, however, is rarely harmonious and has often led to violent conflict over land and identity. Focusing on mixed towns in Israel/Palestine, this insightful volume theorizes the relationship between modernity and nationalism and the social dynamics which engender and characterize the growth of urban spaces and the emergence therein of inter-communal relations.

For more than a century, Arabs and Jews have been interacting in the workplaces, residential areas, commercial enterprises, cultural arenas and political theatres of mixed towns. Defying prevailing Manichean oppositions, these towns both exemplify and resist the forces of nationalist segregation. In this interdisciplinary volume, a new generation of Israeli and Palestinian scholars come together to explore ways in which these towns have been perceived as utopian or dystopian and whether they are best conceptualized as divided, dual or colonial. Identifying ethnically mixed towns as a historically specific analytic category, this volume calls for further research, comparison and debate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Human Rights Watch today criticized Israel for cutting all electrical and gas supplies to the Gaza strip, a violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention&#8217;s prohibition on collective punishment. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a recent cultural geography/urban studies/anthro study of mixed cities and structural violence in Israel that might help clarify some things.</p>
<p>Mixed Towns, Trapped Communities<br />
Historical Narratives, Spatial Dynamics, Gender Relations and Cultural Encounters in Palestinian-Israeli Towns<br />
Daniel Monterescu and Dan Rabinowitz<br />
Series: Re-materialising Cultural Geography</p>
<p>Modern urban spaces are, by definition, mixed socio-spatial configurations. In many ways, their enduring success and vitality lie in the richness of their ethnic texture and ongoing exchange of economic goods, cultural practices, political ideas and social movements. This mixture, however, is rarely harmonious and has often led to violent conflict over land and identity. Focusing on mixed towns in Israel/Palestine, this insightful volume theorizes the relationship between modernity and nationalism and the social dynamics which engender and characterize the growth of urban spaces and the emergence therein of inter-communal relations.</p>
<p>For more than a century, Arabs and Jews have been interacting in the workplaces, residential areas, commercial enterprises, cultural arenas and political theatres of mixed towns. Defying prevailing Manichean oppositions, these towns both exemplify and resist the forces of nationalist segregation. In this interdisciplinary volume, a new generation of Israeli and Palestinian scholars come together to explore ways in which these towns have been perceived as utopian or dystopian and whether they are best conceptualized as divided, dual or colonial. Identifying ethnically mixed towns as a historically specific analytic category, this volume calls for further research, comparison and debate.</p>
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		<title>By: Laurie King-Irani</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laurie King-Irani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 05:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never said that Israel supporters are not allowed to have an opinion. They have a wide variety of opinions, as do writers who address the Palestinian narrative.

Define anti-Semitic. Are you sure you are not confusing it/conflating it with anti-Zionist? I&#039;m not trying to shut down dialogue, but rather, to question comments that paint with a wide and sloppy brush a number of books the writer probably has not read. Khaled Hroub&#039;s book on Hamas is critical of Hamas. He used to be a member of that organization. Israel Shahak was an academic and worked long and hard for social justice. Justice, you shall only do justice and justice is a key tenet of Judaism (from Ecclesiastes). Zionism is a whole other ball game. Free speech is wonderful and I don&#039;t expect or demand that people will agree with me. Free speech ought, however, to be based on informed and careful consideration of the subjects under discussion, and not stoop to such comments as &quot;grow up.&quot;

Intellectual terrorism is when one&#039;s views, based on long-term ethnographic research, that a particular country is engaging in actions and policies that bear a strong resemblance to Apartheid, and regularly contravene international humanitarian law, are considered sinister and beyond the limits of academic discourse and debate. For an example of such an approach to free speech, surf on over to CampusWatch.org Do some research.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never said that Israel supporters are not allowed to have an opinion. They have a wide variety of opinions, as do writers who address the Palestinian narrative.</p>
<p>Define anti-Semitic. Are you sure you are not confusing it/conflating it with anti-Zionist? I&#8217;m not trying to shut down dialogue, but rather, to question comments that paint with a wide and sloppy brush a number of books the writer probably has not read. Khaled Hroub&#8217;s book on Hamas is critical of Hamas. He used to be a member of that organization. Israel Shahak was an academic and worked long and hard for social justice. Justice, you shall only do justice and justice is a key tenet of Judaism (from Ecclesiastes). Zionism is a whole other ball game. Free speech is wonderful and I don&#8217;t expect or demand that people will agree with me. Free speech ought, however, to be based on informed and careful consideration of the subjects under discussion, and not stoop to such comments as &#8220;grow up.&#8221;</p>
<p>Intellectual terrorism is when one&#8217;s views, based on long-term ethnographic research, that a particular country is engaging in actions and policies that bear a strong resemblance to Apartheid, and regularly contravene international humanitarian law, are considered sinister and beyond the limits of academic discourse and debate. For an example of such an approach to free speech, surf on over to CampusWatch.org Do some research.</p>
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		<title>By: UB40</title>
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		<dc:creator>UB40</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 02:29:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laurie,

Nobody is saying that every book that critisizes Israel is anti-semitic.  You are the only one alleging that argument is being made.  However, many of Pluto&#039;s books are ANTI-SEMITIC.  Not anti-Israel or anti-zionist, but anti-semitic.  You can defend them all you want but it doesn&#039;t say much about you.  Israel Shahak is an anti-semite (look him up), and books supporting Hamas (whose charter is anti-semitic) are Jew hating books.

As far as intellectual terrorism, you are the one saying that Israel supporters are not allowed to have an opinion.  I guess you think free speech is okay, as long as people agree with you.  You are the one trying to shut down dialogue by using loaded terms like that.  

Grow up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laurie,</p>
<p>Nobody is saying that every book that critisizes Israel is anti-semitic.  You are the only one alleging that argument is being made.  However, many of Pluto&#8217;s books are ANTI-SEMITIC.  Not anti-Israel or anti-zionist, but anti-semitic.  You can defend them all you want but it doesn&#8217;t say much about you.  Israel Shahak is an anti-semite (look him up), and books supporting Hamas (whose charter is anti-semitic) are Jew hating books.</p>
<p>As far as intellectual terrorism, you are the one saying that Israel supporters are not allowed to have an opinion.  I guess you think free speech is okay, as long as people agree with you.  You are the one trying to shut down dialogue by using loaded terms like that.  </p>
<p>Grow up.</p>
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		<title>By: Laurie King-Irani</title>
		<link>http://savageminds.org/2007/10/26/pluto-press-and-u-of-michigan-retain-business-ties/comment-page-1/#comment-135053</link>
		<dc:creator>Laurie King-Irani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 13:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MJ&#039;s specious claim that any book that criticizes Israel is &quot;anti-Semitic&quot; has to be challenged. According to him or her, Israel&#039;s version of the New York Times, &quot;Ha-Aretz&quot; would have to be classified as anti-Semitic, as its daily searing critiques of Israeli policies and leading political ideologies are well-known and much appreciated by a good part of the Israeli reading public. Indeed, Ha&#039;aretz is (or was) the main touch stone and most visited news page among Beiruti journalists and newspaper editors when I worked in Lebanon. Enough of this intellectual terrorism. Restricting debate about Israeli policies, their impact on the Middle East, and the extent to which US policymakers, academics, and journalists should just sign off on and shut up about anything Israel wants to do is really bad for all concerned -- Israelis, Americans, and Arabs. Had we been able to talk about this more openly and freely, we might not be in the mess we now find ourselves in now in Iraq.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MJ&#8217;s specious claim that any book that criticizes Israel is &#8220;anti-Semitic&#8221; has to be challenged. According to him or her, Israel&#8217;s version of the New York Times, &#8220;Ha-Aretz&#8221; would have to be classified as anti-Semitic, as its daily searing critiques of Israeli policies and leading political ideologies are well-known and much appreciated by a good part of the Israeli reading public. Indeed, Ha&#8217;aretz is (or was) the main touch stone and most visited news page among Beiruti journalists and newspaper editors when I worked in Lebanon. Enough of this intellectual terrorism. Restricting debate about Israeli policies, their impact on the Middle East, and the extent to which US policymakers, academics, and journalists should just sign off on and shut up about anything Israel wants to do is really bad for all concerned &#8212; Israelis, Americans, and Arabs. Had we been able to talk about this more openly and freely, we might not be in the mess we now find ourselves in now in Iraq.</p>
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		<title>By: anthropogirl</title>
		<link>http://savageminds.org/2007/10/26/pluto-press-and-u-of-michigan-retain-business-ties/comment-page-1/#comment-134511</link>
		<dc:creator>anthropogirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2007 16:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to MJ: Israel Shahak was actually a well known Jewish-Israeli citizen whose work argued that Zionism was actually a product of European anti-Semitism, insofar as &quot;since it, like the anti-Semites, holds that Jews are everywhere aliens who would best be isolated from the rest of the world.&quot; 

To frame Shahak as anti-Semitic is to both misread his works, and to misunderstand his stakes in trying to develop a truly democratic sphere of politics within Israel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to MJ: Israel Shahak was actually a well known Jewish-Israeli citizen whose work argued that Zionism was actually a product of European anti-Semitism, insofar as &#8220;since it, like the anti-Semites, holds that Jews are everywhere aliens who would best be isolated from the rest of the world.&#8221; </p>
<p>To frame Shahak as anti-Semitic is to both misread his works, and to misunderstand his stakes in trying to develop a truly democratic sphere of politics within Israel.</p>
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		<title>By: MJ</title>
		<link>http://savageminds.org/2007/10/26/pluto-press-and-u-of-michigan-retain-business-ties/comment-page-1/#comment-134103</link>
		<dc:creator>MJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2007 16:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pluto may have some respectable titles, but the fact is that it distribute some very anti-semitic books (ex: books by Israel Shahak, and Hamas a beginners guide).  Nothing a University should be associated with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pluto may have some respectable titles, but the fact is that it distribute some very anti-semitic books (ex: books by Israel Shahak, and Hamas a beginners guide).  Nothing a University should be associated with.</p>
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		<title>By: Kerim</title>
		<link>http://savageminds.org/2007/10/26/pluto-press-and-u-of-michigan-retain-business-ties/comment-page-1/#comment-133619</link>
		<dc:creator>Kerim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 23:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that it would be great to hear about the publishing process.</description>
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		<title>By: Rex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 20:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pluto&#039;s list is superb. End of story as far as I&#039;m concerned. If this is the first that people have heard of Pluto they should look more closely at the press -- even if you are not a rabid lefty they are worth keeping an eye on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pluto&#8217;s list is superb. End of story as far as I&#8217;m concerned. If this is the first that people have heard of Pluto they should look more closely at the press &#8212; even if you are not a rabid lefty they are worth keeping an eye on.</p>
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