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	<title>Comments on: Joseph Masco&#8217;s Nuclear Secrets</title>
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		<title>By: LLWynn</title>
		<link>http://savageminds.org/2007/06/26/joseph-mascos-nuclear-secrets/comment-page-1/#comment-99909</link>
		<dc:creator>LLWynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 20:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Colbert&#039;s roast at the White House correspondents dinner: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-869183917758574879</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Colbert&#8217;s roast at the White House correspondents dinner: <a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-869183917758574879" rel="nofollow">http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-869183917758574879</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rex</title>
		<link>http://savageminds.org/2007/06/26/joseph-mascos-nuclear-secrets/comment-page-1/#comment-98369</link>
		<dc:creator>Rex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 05:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So let me get this straight: your students think an ethnography of the brave men and women defending our country by building bigger and better weapons is an attempt to induce some sort of liberal brainwashing, but an ethnography of a bunch of ganja-smoking rasta dropouts reaffirms their core moral values? And somehow their _instructors_ are culpable for the fact that they feel this way?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So let me get this straight: your students think an ethnography of the brave men and women defending our country by building bigger and better weapons is an attempt to induce some sort of liberal brainwashing, but an ethnography of a bunch of ganja-smoking rasta dropouts reaffirms their core moral values? And somehow their _instructors_ are culpable for the fact that they feel this way?</p>
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		<title>By: Grad Student Guy</title>
		<link>http://savageminds.org/2007/06/26/joseph-mascos-nuclear-secrets/comment-page-1/#comment-98249</link>
		<dc:creator>Grad Student Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 19:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The book I was specifically thinking of when I referred to students rejecting books as political was Serena Nanda&#039;s &quot;Neither Man Nor Woman&quot;.  It&#039;s about the the Hijra third gender role in India.  It&#039;s a popular book for many intro classes.  In those classes for which I TA&#039;d which used the book, students had a tendency to extend the behaviors of some Hijras described in the book (prostitution, sex, etc.) as evidence of the deviance of third gender roles in all cultures (i.e. that all people in these roles were involved in morally wrong behaviors).  Many students also saw the very fact that we assigned a book about third gender roles as evidence that the professor was trying to politically brainwash them.

While I don&#039;t necessarily see as extreme a reaction for books about labor migration and the effects of the nuclear program, I can easily see students assuming that these topics in of themselves representing a radical agenda by professors.  I&#039;d rather have students get an example of ethnography that won&#039;t be immediately rejected as political. I&#039;m not saying that ethnography isn&#039;t political, only that we have to tailor the ethnographies we assign to our particular intro student audiences (within reason).  This means we have to find ethnographies that both encompass contemporary cultural anthropology, have topics that most students won&#039;t immediately reject and that aren&#039;t boring. 

(One of the few ethnographies that I have seen which meets all of these criteria is William F Lewis&#039;s &quot;Soul Rebels&quot; about the Rastafari movement. While it was published in 1993, it is a multi-sited ethnography that is global in scope, it is seen as cool by many students and the writing is definitely not boring.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The book I was specifically thinking of when I referred to students rejecting books as political was Serena Nanda&#8217;s &#8220;Neither Man Nor Woman&#8221;.  It&#8217;s about the the Hijra third gender role in India.  It&#8217;s a popular book for many intro classes.  In those classes for which I TA&#8217;d which used the book, students had a tendency to extend the behaviors of some Hijras described in the book (prostitution, sex, etc.) as evidence of the deviance of third gender roles in all cultures (i.e. that all people in these roles were involved in morally wrong behaviors).  Many students also saw the very fact that we assigned a book about third gender roles as evidence that the professor was trying to politically brainwash them.</p>
<p>While I don&#8217;t necessarily see as extreme a reaction for books about labor migration and the effects of the nuclear program, I can easily see students assuming that these topics in of themselves representing a radical agenda by professors.  I&#8217;d rather have students get an example of ethnography that won&#8217;t be immediately rejected as political. I&#8217;m not saying that ethnography isn&#8217;t political, only that we have to tailor the ethnographies we assign to our particular intro student audiences (within reason).  This means we have to find ethnographies that both encompass contemporary cultural anthropology, have topics that most students won&#8217;t immediately reject and that aren&#8217;t boring. </p>
<p>(One of the few ethnographies that I have seen which meets all of these criteria is William F Lewis&#8217;s &#8220;Soul Rebels&#8221; about the Rastafari movement. While it was published in 1993, it is a multi-sited ethnography that is global in scope, it is seen as cool by many students and the writing is definitely not boring.)</p>
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		<title>By: ckelty</title>
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		<dc:creator>ckelty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 02:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>no, that refers to Stephen Colbert’s routine at the White House Correspondent Dinner in 2006.  He said something like &quot;and as we all know, reality has a well known liberal bias&quot;... it&#039;s hilarious if you can find it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no, that refers to Stephen Colbert’s routine at the White House Correspondent Dinner in 2006.  He said something like &#8220;and as we all know, reality has a well known liberal bias&#8221;&#8230; it&#8217;s hilarious if you can find it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Fuji Lozada</title>
		<link>http://savageminds.org/2007/06/26/joseph-mascos-nuclear-secrets/comment-page-1/#comment-97859</link>
		<dc:creator>Fuji Lozada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 21:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for giving me yet another book to order for the library, and to consider using in class!  I&#039;ve used an essay by Gusterson and other similar essays in the past (for an intro to STS anthro class); in terms of ethnography of a lab, this sounds like a monograph that can cycle with Traweek or Knorr Cetina.

I strongly agree with ckelty, in that everything I teach is inherently political.  I teach in a small liberal arts college in North Carolina, with a religious affiliation (Prebyterian, PC-USA) - my students tend to be more interested in the sociopolitical implications of anthropology.  For them, I think this makes anthropology seem relevant (of course, we all know that anthro is extremely relevant!). Of course, anthropology classes tend to attract the &quot;save the world&quot; social justice types (I don&#039;t mean this in a disparaging sense), and typical undergraduate students have that youthful optimism about life that I so miss in my 40s, though my incoming college first-year teenager believes that my role in life is to stamp such nonsense out.

What I&#039;m not sure about, though, is what ckelty means when he talks about &quot;the well meaning liberal bias of reality.&quot;  I&#039;m guessing he means the reality of academia, and not &quot;the real world&quot; (definitely not the MTV show).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for giving me yet another book to order for the library, and to consider using in class!  I&#8217;ve used an essay by Gusterson and other similar essays in the past (for an intro to STS anthro class); in terms of ethnography of a lab, this sounds like a monograph that can cycle with Traweek or Knorr Cetina.</p>
<p>I strongly agree with ckelty, in that everything I teach is inherently political.  I teach in a small liberal arts college in North Carolina, with a religious affiliation (Prebyterian, PC-USA) &#8211; my students tend to be more interested in the sociopolitical implications of anthropology.  For them, I think this makes anthropology seem relevant (of course, we all know that anthro is extremely relevant!). Of course, anthropology classes tend to attract the &#8220;save the world&#8221; social justice types (I don&#8217;t mean this in a disparaging sense), and typical undergraduate students have that youthful optimism about life that I so miss in my 40s, though my incoming college first-year teenager believes that my role in life is to stamp such nonsense out.</p>
<p>What I&#8217;m not sure about, though, is what ckelty means when he talks about &#8220;the well meaning liberal bias of reality.&#8221;  I&#8217;m guessing he means the reality of academia, and not &#8220;the real world&#8221; (definitely not the MTV show).</p>
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		<title>By: ckelty</title>
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		<dc:creator>ckelty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 03:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Strong... I agree, though I am honor-bound to disagree re: ARC.  At some point in the future, perhaps it will become clear why the grey flannel approach makes sense, but for the time being, I too think Masco&#039;s approach more fun and certainly if I had to choose which to bring to the Arctic...

and Grad Student Guy... might this be a case of the well meaning liberal bias of reality?  In all honesty, I have no idea of the political leanings of either author, but when students issue blanket rejections like that under my tutelage, I usually use that as an occasion to challenge them to respond.  When they cannot, there is no hope, when they can, there is dialogue.  I teach in Texas, for the record.  I also don&#039;t teach anything that is not inherently political.  Can you give me an example?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strong&#8230; I agree, though I am honor-bound to disagree re: ARC.  At some point in the future, perhaps it will become clear why the grey flannel approach makes sense, but for the time being, I too think Masco&#8217;s approach more fun and certainly if I had to choose which to bring to the Arctic&#8230;</p>
<p>and Grad Student Guy&#8230; might this be a case of the well meaning liberal bias of reality?  In all honesty, I have no idea of the political leanings of either author, but when students issue blanket rejections like that under my tutelage, I usually use that as an occasion to challenge them to respond.  When they cannot, there is no hope, when they can, there is dialogue.  I teach in Texas, for the record.  I also don&#8217;t teach anything that is not inherently political.  Can you give me an example?</p>
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		<title>By: FC</title>
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		<dc:creator>FC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 03:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just wanted to say it is interesting that you pointed out that this, combined with Hugh Gusterson’s and Adriana Petryna’s work would make a great class about  the &quot;intersection of STS and anthropology.&quot; Masco himself teaches such a class at the University of Chicago. I took this class last quarter and just wanted to say that Masco had an incredible grasp of everything that covered. 

On the subject of the &quot;Nuclear Borderlands,&quot; one facet Masco himself placed some emphasis on (and which particularly interested me) was the notion of the layering of cultures on a specific environment. With each wave of newcomers, with the anti-war activists being the latest, we have a situation that becomes incredible complex, not only on the global scale (for example, in terms of geopolitics and culture), but at the home of the atomic bomb, where lives are even more directly affected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wanted to say it is interesting that you pointed out that this, combined with Hugh Gusterson’s and Adriana Petryna’s work would make a great class about  the &#8220;intersection of STS and anthropology.&#8221; Masco himself teaches such a class at the University of Chicago. I took this class last quarter and just wanted to say that Masco had an incredible grasp of everything that covered. </p>
<p>On the subject of the &#8220;Nuclear Borderlands,&#8221; one facet Masco himself placed some emphasis on (and which particularly interested me) was the notion of the layering of cultures on a specific environment. With each wave of newcomers, with the anti-war activists being the latest, we have a situation that becomes incredible complex, not only on the global scale (for example, in terms of geopolitics and culture), but at the home of the atomic bomb, where lives are even more directly affected.</p>
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		<title>By: Strong</title>
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		<dc:creator>Strong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 00:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, I °loved° this book.  I read it like a sci-fi novel over break last year in conditions approximating nuclear winter:  I was holed up in a cabin in Pyha, north of the Arctic Circle.  It was just me, Masco&#039;s book, my boyfriend, and the frozen darkness outside.  I agree with what you have written here and I would just underscore what I think makes the book so good:  it elaborates good old fashioned critical theory.  Although the subject matter pertains to science, Masco does not slavishly reproduce the latest in science studies rhetoric to make his points.  Instead, he takes his cue from critical theory of the 20th century.

I would emphasize, as I did earlier on SM about the book, that what makes it so great is the way that it crosses institutional orders and draws them together within an interpretive frame.  So for example, there is a great deal of attention to popular culture and social relations of different kinds.  This I think distinguishes Masco&#039;s approach to &#039;security&#039; from your colleagues at the ARC, who seem to want to confine themselves to the rather grey discourse of experts.  I think I understand the methodological reasons why ARC folks confine themselves to &#039;experts&#039; (something to do with a technical notion of discourse as pertaining to serious speech acts, those subject to standards of intelligibility).  But their discussions of &#039;security&#039; end up being, I think, too careful in a sense, too bureaucratic:  they lack imagination precisely because they do not incorporate imagination (terror, affect, fantasy, the visual) into their analyses (from what I have read so far).  By contast, Masco weaves an analysis of the sensibilities of physicists together with the zeitgeist of the nuclear uncanny.  Reading against the grain of institutional division, Masco enables us to imagine something like &#039;national culture&#039; (and compare his work to his colleague John Kelly at Chicago in this regard).

In other words, I think what makes this book good anthropology is precisely that it is informed by a background sense of &#039;the cultural&#039; (or even &#039;a culture&#039;), a sensibility out of which ethnography as genre and method was born.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, I °loved° this book.  I read it like a sci-fi novel over break last year in conditions approximating nuclear winter:  I was holed up in a cabin in Pyha, north of the Arctic Circle.  It was just me, Masco&#8217;s book, my boyfriend, and the frozen darkness outside.  I agree with what you have written here and I would just underscore what I think makes the book so good:  it elaborates good old fashioned critical theory.  Although the subject matter pertains to science, Masco does not slavishly reproduce the latest in science studies rhetoric to make his points.  Instead, he takes his cue from critical theory of the 20th century.</p>
<p>I would emphasize, as I did earlier on SM about the book, that what makes it so great is the way that it crosses institutional orders and draws them together within an interpretive frame.  So for example, there is a great deal of attention to popular culture and social relations of different kinds.  This I think distinguishes Masco&#8217;s approach to &#8217;security&#8217; from your colleagues at the ARC, who seem to want to confine themselves to the rather grey discourse of experts.  I think I understand the methodological reasons why ARC folks confine themselves to &#8216;experts&#8217; (something to do with a technical notion of discourse as pertaining to serious speech acts, those subject to standards of intelligibility).  But their discussions of &#8217;security&#8217; end up being, I think, too careful in a sense, too bureaucratic:  they lack imagination precisely because they do not incorporate imagination (terror, affect, fantasy, the visual) into their analyses (from what I have read so far).  By contast, Masco weaves an analysis of the sensibilities of physicists together with the zeitgeist of the nuclear uncanny.  Reading against the grain of institutional division, Masco enables us to imagine something like &#8216;national culture&#8217; (and compare his work to his colleague John Kelly at Chicago in this regard).</p>
<p>In other words, I think what makes this book good anthropology is precisely that it is informed by a background sense of &#8216;the cultural&#8217; (or even &#8216;a culture&#8217;), a sensibility out of which ethnography as genre and method was born.</p>
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		<title>By: Grad Student Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grad Student Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 23:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to be a party pooper but just based on the subject of both books, these seem like the types of books that students might dismiss as &quot;liberal&quot; propoganda or too political. I haven&#039;t read them but from just the description, the subject matter of both books seems to be the type of stuff which leads to knee jerk responses from intro class students. Could you elaborate on thes books have been received by students (if you&#039;ve used them in class) and what types of students you generally teach.  I know at my current institution students tend to have negative reactions to any book that they perceive as inherently political.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to be a party pooper but just based on the subject of both books, these seem like the types of books that students might dismiss as &#8220;liberal&#8221; propoganda or too political. I haven&#8217;t read them but from just the description, the subject matter of both books seems to be the type of stuff which leads to knee jerk responses from intro class students. Could you elaborate on thes books have been received by students (if you&#8217;ve used them in class) and what types of students you generally teach.  I know at my current institution students tend to have negative reactions to any book that they perceive as inherently political.</p>
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