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		<title>By: Fiona</title>
		<link>http://savageminds.org/2007/05/04/whither-bioanthro/comment-page-1/#comment-81122</link>
		<dc:creator>Fiona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 12:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just about to weigh in with a nod to Kathleen&#039;s comment there when I noticed my name! It&#039;s very true that biological sciences (or the natural sciences more generally) have become hugely aware of the context-dependency of biological systems. Jablonka and Lamb&#039;s highly readable book &lt;a href=&quot;http://mitpress.mit.edu/catalog/item/default.asp?ttype=2&amp;tid=10470&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Evolution in Four Dimensions&lt;/a&gt; is an excellent introduction to much of this work on epigenetics, behavioural plasticity, symbolic inheritance etc.

I do think it&#039;s taxing to become a biological anthropologist nowadays, partly for the &quot;biological&quot; reasons discussed above (fast pace of genetics/bioinformatics etc), but also because  of the &quot;anthropologist&quot; bit: anthropology encompasses &lt;i&gt;so&lt;/i&gt; much in both theory and practice, and one wants to do a good job of it and not give any credence to the &quot;narrow-minded scientist&quot; stereotype.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just about to weigh in with a nod to Kathleen&#8217;s comment there when I noticed my name! It&#8217;s very true that biological sciences (or the natural sciences more generally) have become hugely aware of the context-dependency of biological systems. Jablonka and Lamb&#8217;s highly readable book <a href="http://mitpress.mit.edu/catalog/item/default.asp?ttype=2&amp;tid=10470" rel="nofollow">Evolution in Four Dimensions</a> is an excellent introduction to much of this work on epigenetics, behavioural plasticity, symbolic inheritance etc.</p>
<p>I do think it&#8217;s taxing to become a biological anthropologist nowadays, partly for the &#8220;biological&#8221; reasons discussed above (fast pace of genetics/bioinformatics etc), but also because  of the &#8220;anthropologist&#8221; bit: anthropology encompasses <i>so</i> much in both theory and practice, and one wants to do a good job of it and not give any credence to the &#8220;narrow-minded scientist&#8221; stereotype.
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		<title>By: Rex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 07:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fiona has some nice thoughts on this that might keep the thread going:

http://evolutionaryanthropology.wordpress.com/2007/04/16/the-two-cultures-revisited-ad-nauseum/#more-128</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fiona has some nice thoughts on this that might keep the thread going:</p>
<p><a href="http://evolutionaryanthropology.wordpress.com/2007/04/16/the-two-cultures-revisited-ad-nauseum/#more-128" rel="nofollow">http://evolutionaryanthropology.wordpress.com/2007/04/16/the-two-cultures-revisited-ad-nauseum/#more-128</a>
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		<title>By: srude</title>
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		<dc:creator>srude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 20:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;&quot;&gt;Jeff says: But if the living core of an academic discipline is a coherent methodology, then it seems problematic to try to integrate the natural scientist’s working assumption of context-independent causality, which allows their theory to advance as the cumulative “progress” of their discipline, with the linguistic/cultural anthropologist’s working assumption of the “arbitrariness of the sign,” which generates relativist context-focused explanations grounded on criticism of all grand theories of trans-historical causality.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Have you been paying attention to the natural sciences in the last two decades? You&#039;re dancing with straw-men!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote cite=""><p>Jeff says: But if the living core of an academic discipline is a coherent methodology, then it seems problematic to try to integrate the natural scientist’s working assumption of context-independent causality, which allows their theory to advance as the cumulative “progress” of their discipline, with the linguistic/cultural anthropologist’s working assumption of the “arbitrariness of the sign,” which generates relativist context-focused explanations grounded on criticism of all grand theories of trans-historical causality.</p></blockquote>
<p>Have you been paying attention to the natural sciences in the last two decades? You&#8217;re dancing with straw-men!
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		<title>By: Kerim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kerim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 11:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff,

I think the real question isn&#039;t whether or not people need to bridge the gap between various disciplines - they are doing so already. (Look at the real questions people are asking, not hypotheticals and you&#039;ll see that many require drawing upon a variety of methodologies.) What is at stake is whether or not it makes sense to structure this interdisciplinary training under the umbrella of &quot;anthropology&quot; or whether we should just define anthropology more narrowly and let individual students or faculty work together collaboratively on a more ad-hoc basis.

I think there is much to said for the ad-hoc approach. It would allow, for instance, visual anthropology programs to work more closely with film programs and linguistic anthropologists with linguists, physical anthropologists with biologists, etc. Ironically, what is lost with such interdisciplinarity is a certain kind of holistic training, in favor of more narrow specialization. There are also the realities faced by university departments in terms of securing funding and lines for new professors, much of which is easier to do within a more traditional structure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,</p>
<p>I think the real question isn&#8217;t whether or not people need to bridge the gap between various disciplines &#8211; they are doing so already. (Look at the real questions people are asking, not hypotheticals and you&#8217;ll see that many require drawing upon a variety of methodologies.) What is at stake is whether or not it makes sense to structure this interdisciplinary training under the umbrella of &#8220;anthropology&#8221; or whether we should just define anthropology more narrowly and let individual students or faculty work together collaboratively on a more ad-hoc basis.</p>
<p>I think there is much to said for the ad-hoc approach. It would allow, for instance, visual anthropology programs to work more closely with film programs and linguistic anthropologists with linguists, physical anthropologists with biologists, etc. Ironically, what is lost with such interdisciplinarity is a certain kind of holistic training, in favor of more narrow specialization. There are also the realities faced by university departments in terms of securing funding and lines for new professors, much of which is easier to do within a more traditional structure.
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		<title>By: Jeff M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 08:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am sympathetic to the values of a well rounded liberal arts education, the productive potentials of interdisciplinary collaboration, and commitment to participation in building the public good. But if the living core of an academic discipline is a coherent methodology, then it seems problematic to try to integrate the natural scientist&#039;s working assumption of context-independent causality, which allows their theory to advance as the cumulative &quot;progress&quot; of their discipline, with the linguistic/cultural anthropologist&#039;s working assumption of the &quot;arbitrariness of the sign,&quot; which generates relativist context-focused explanations grounded on criticism of all grand theories of trans-historical causality. For purposes of provocation (&quot;throwing stones to draw jade,&quot; as we say) I would phrase my skepticism of the coherence of the four fields in terms of my inability to answer the following (grossly oversimplified) question: What kind of new data could possibly mediate the chasm between (A) seeking to explain fundamental genetic differences between people and birds, versus (B) seeking to explain how people create realities in which (in certain contexts) they are birds?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sympathetic to the values of a well rounded liberal arts education, the productive potentials of interdisciplinary collaboration, and commitment to participation in building the public good. But if the living core of an academic discipline is a coherent methodology, then it seems problematic to try to integrate the natural scientist&#8217;s working assumption of context-independent causality, which allows their theory to advance as the cumulative &#8220;progress&#8221; of their discipline, with the linguistic/cultural anthropologist&#8217;s working assumption of the &#8220;arbitrariness of the sign,&#8221; which generates relativist context-focused explanations grounded on criticism of all grand theories of trans-historical causality. For purposes of provocation (&#8220;throwing stones to draw jade,&#8221; as we say) I would phrase my skepticism of the coherence of the four fields in terms of my inability to answer the following (grossly oversimplified) question: What kind of new data could possibly mediate the chasm between (A) seeking to explain fundamental genetic differences between people and birds, versus (B) seeking to explain how people create realities in which (in certain contexts) they are birds?
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		<title>By: Greg Downey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Downey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 02:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t agree more with Kathleen Lowrey.  From my position as a socio-culturally trained anthropologist who more and more finds himself in bio-anthro territory, I think that, if we don&#039;t do it, someone else is going to reinvent four-field anthro under another name.  They might do it better than us, but I hope to be part of that new field (along with people like Tim Ingold).  And I&#039;d prefer it be happening in our departments as it&#039;s likely to be exciting stuff.  

It seems to me that new discoveries in neurosciences, genetics, ecology, evolutionary studies, and related biological-environmental fields have opened up a whole new set of questions and generated surprising new data.  The psychologists and sociologists currently flooding into the gap to interpret these findings really don&#039;t understand them, or they have their own agendas to push, rife with reductionisms at which the biological scientists themselves often cringe, problematic understandings of social evolution, and the like.  In other words, a huge intellectual market niche (if I may be so bold) is opening with the social and cultural interpretation of new biological findings, and many of the fields involved crave the kind of cross-cultural data (and cautionary tales) we might be able to provide.  Four-field anthropologists are some of the few people with even close to the background to interpret the new material.  Ironically, as brain scientists, for example, are learning more about mechanisms for brain plasticity, sociocultural anthropologists are retreating from engagement with psychology, the brain, cognition, and anyone in our field who might be tainted by dealing with these things.

To my mind, our discipline&#039;s romance with history, political economy, semiotics, and humanities is far too faithful.  We should also recognize intellectual opportunities to be gained on the biological side of our field.  Theorists like Ingold are a great example for what can be done.  Admittedly, it takes a lot of work, but true interdisciplinary collaboration can also make that work a lot easier.  In addition, these collaborations can open up avenues for us to generate new sorts of data (some of which lets us insert our concerns into fields that typically ignore us), engage in debate in the public sphere, benefit from funding targeted toward these emerging interdisciplinary fields, and a host of other salutary developments.  

It would be a huge shame if a few bad encounters with close-minded colleagues would convince us that such collaboration is either impossible or without benefit. We probably all know both knee-jerk biological and cultural reductionists, the kind who automatically assume anyone who works in a lab must be racist, all biological data must be rejected and biologists morally suspected, etc.

As I wrote in a column in AN a while back, I found when I emigrated to Australia that, without some grounding in biology, it was very difficult to argue with scientific racists, genetic determinists, and other assorted intellectual villains.  I couldn&#039;t just shout &#039;race is a construct&#039; at them and expect them to go away.  A good four-field-style education (whether it includes three, four, five or other number of fields) is exactly the kind of remedy we most need.  I&#039;m sorry some of my colleagues think a four-fields approach is &#039;dead&#039;; I hope that the next few decades find that news of its demise has been premature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree more with Kathleen Lowrey.  From my position as a socio-culturally trained anthropologist who more and more finds himself in bio-anthro territory, I think that, if we don&#8217;t do it, someone else is going to reinvent four-field anthro under another name.  They might do it better than us, but I hope to be part of that new field (along with people like Tim Ingold).  And I&#8217;d prefer it be happening in our departments as it&#8217;s likely to be exciting stuff.  </p>
<p>It seems to me that new discoveries in neurosciences, genetics, ecology, evolutionary studies, and related biological-environmental fields have opened up a whole new set of questions and generated surprising new data.  The psychologists and sociologists currently flooding into the gap to interpret these findings really don&#8217;t understand them, or they have their own agendas to push, rife with reductionisms at which the biological scientists themselves often cringe, problematic understandings of social evolution, and the like.  In other words, a huge intellectual market niche (if I may be so bold) is opening with the social and cultural interpretation of new biological findings, and many of the fields involved crave the kind of cross-cultural data (and cautionary tales) we might be able to provide.  Four-field anthropologists are some of the few people with even close to the background to interpret the new material.  Ironically, as brain scientists, for example, are learning more about mechanisms for brain plasticity, sociocultural anthropologists are retreating from engagement with psychology, the brain, cognition, and anyone in our field who might be tainted by dealing with these things.</p>
<p>To my mind, our discipline&#8217;s romance with history, political economy, semiotics, and humanities is far too faithful.  We should also recognize intellectual opportunities to be gained on the biological side of our field.  Theorists like Ingold are a great example for what can be done.  Admittedly, it takes a lot of work, but true interdisciplinary collaboration can also make that work a lot easier.  In addition, these collaborations can open up avenues for us to generate new sorts of data (some of which lets us insert our concerns into fields that typically ignore us), engage in debate in the public sphere, benefit from funding targeted toward these emerging interdisciplinary fields, and a host of other salutary developments.  </p>
<p>It would be a huge shame if a few bad encounters with close-minded colleagues would convince us that such collaboration is either impossible or without benefit. We probably all know both knee-jerk biological and cultural reductionists, the kind who automatically assume anyone who works in a lab must be racist, all biological data must be rejected and biologists morally suspected, etc.</p>
<p>As I wrote in a column in AN a while back, I found when I emigrated to Australia that, without some grounding in biology, it was very difficult to argue with scientific racists, genetic determinists, and other assorted intellectual villains.  I couldn&#8217;t just shout &#8216;race is a construct&#8217; at them and expect them to go away.  A good four-field-style education (whether it includes three, four, five or other number of fields) is exactly the kind of remedy we most need.  I&#8217;m sorry some of my colleagues think a four-fields approach is &#8216;dead&#8217;; I hope that the next few decades find that news of its demise has been premature.
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		<title>By: Kathleen Lowrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathleen Lowrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 21:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jeff,  Well, I am thinking of stuff like emerging work on epigenetics and  in evolutionary developmental biology that posits complex relationships of causality between genome, organism, and environment.  The sociobiology stuff lurked about in the space created by the absence of positive knowledge about the actual mechanisms of genome regulation, so that sociobiologists could just sort of make things up about &quot;a gene for cheating&quot; or &quot;altruism&quot; or whatever and posit it as functioning directly in the world via organisms or even entire societies but with the organism or the society only present as a kind of inert media.   Many sociocultural anthropologists felt strongly that this was stupid and wrong.  It turns out we were right -- not just on the ideological merits, but as robustly evidenced by emerging work on the biological science side of things.  I think it&#039;s no accident that someone like Richard Dawkins has retreated from any pretense of writing science to the much safer ground of religion-bashing just about now.  Anyway, the recent Ingold article cited in another thread (it&#039;s from the current _Anthropology Today_) is very good on this and has some additional cites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jeff,  Well, I am thinking of stuff like emerging work on epigenetics and  in evolutionary developmental biology that posits complex relationships of causality between genome, organism, and environment.  The sociobiology stuff lurked about in the space created by the absence of positive knowledge about the actual mechanisms of genome regulation, so that sociobiologists could just sort of make things up about &#8220;a gene for cheating&#8221; or &#8220;altruism&#8221; or whatever and posit it as functioning directly in the world via organisms or even entire societies but with the organism or the society only present as a kind of inert media.   Many sociocultural anthropologists felt strongly that this was stupid and wrong.  It turns out we were right &#8212; not just on the ideological merits, but as robustly evidenced by emerging work on the biological science side of things.  I think it&#8217;s no accident that someone like Richard Dawkins has retreated from any pretense of writing science to the much safer ground of religion-bashing just about now.  Anyway, the recent Ingold article cited in another thread (it&#8217;s from the current _Anthropology Today_) is very good on this and has some additional cites.
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		<title>By: Jeff M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 04:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kathleen,

I haven&#039;t paid much attention to discussions of the relation between bio-physical and linguistic-cultural anthropology subsequent to the sociobiology debates of, well, about 20 years ago. So I find your post quite interesting, and wonder if you might clarify how or if any of these recent developments in biology suggest ways of bridging the distinction between natural and social facts that (at least as far as I understood them) seemed to be the at the core of those debates. Thanks - Jeff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kathleen,</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t paid much attention to discussions of the relation between bio-physical and linguistic-cultural anthropology subsequent to the sociobiology debates of, well, about 20 years ago. So I find your post quite interesting, and wonder if you might clarify how or if any of these recent developments in biology suggest ways of bridging the distinction between natural and social facts that (at least as far as I understood them) seemed to be the at the core of those debates. Thanks &#8211; Jeff.
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		<title>By: Kathleen Lowrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathleen Lowrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2007 22:08:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While the four in the four fields was not given by god, as Fred points out, I do think something like 4 field research is going to re-invented elsewhere if anthro departments abandon it, to our long-term disadvantage.  &amp; ironically, I think the re-integration will become more and more possible as ... the &quot;science&quot; side of things advances!  

For so long, we&#039;ve been in the position of feeling like the more humanistic aspects of anthro are the ones lagging behind:  we don&#039;t make discoveries, have grand unifying theories, systematize all previous knowledge generated, we just sort of wiggle around interpretively, sighs &amp; lamentations.

So the science side has been eager to march onwards and upwards and doesn&#039;t want to hear the humanistic side whingeing and ankle-biting, or complaining about an unequal distribution of lab space or whatever.  And the humanistic side has (quite rightly, often enough) said:  fine, suit your narrow-minded selves.

But really -- the advances of the past 20 years in the biological sciences are just amazing, and they are sort of approaching a point where there is a lot of interesting interface with the squishy mysterious bits in which the humanists are interested.  So if anthro gives up on that kind of collaborative approach to the human story *now*, we&#039;ll be doing it just in time for biologists to have arrived at a moment when they are looking for insights from the humanistic side.  So novel departments / programs will be cobbled together &amp; probably do a lot of wheel re-invention of insights from, say, structuralism.  I really think it would be too bad if anthro as a discipline gave up on the four fields just when the spirit of four fieldism could be getting really exciting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While the four in the four fields was not given by god, as Fred points out, I do think something like 4 field research is going to re-invented elsewhere if anthro departments abandon it, to our long-term disadvantage.  &amp; ironically, I think the re-integration will become more and more possible as &#8230; the &#8220;science&#8221; side of things advances!  </p>
<p>For so long, we&#8217;ve been in the position of feeling like the more humanistic aspects of anthro are the ones lagging behind:  we don&#8217;t make discoveries, have grand unifying theories, systematize all previous knowledge generated, we just sort of wiggle around interpretively, sighs &amp; lamentations.</p>
<p>So the science side has been eager to march onwards and upwards and doesn&#8217;t want to hear the humanistic side whingeing and ankle-biting, or complaining about an unequal distribution of lab space or whatever.  And the humanistic side has (quite rightly, often enough) said:  fine, suit your narrow-minded selves.</p>
<p>But really &#8212; the advances of the past 20 years in the biological sciences are just amazing, and they are sort of approaching a point where there is a lot of interesting interface with the squishy mysterious bits in which the humanists are interested.  So if anthro gives up on that kind of collaborative approach to the human story *now*, we&#8217;ll be doing it just in time for biologists to have arrived at a moment when they are looking for insights from the humanistic side.  So novel departments / programs will be cobbled together &amp; probably do a lot of wheel re-invention of insights from, say, structuralism.  I really think it would be too bad if anthro as a discipline gave up on the four fields just when the spirit of four fieldism could be getting really exciting.
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
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		<description>Kerim, the article on Stanford&#039;s reuniting the two anthropologies does seem a top-down decision by the dean of H&amp;S. One that, from a few comments, is not well received by faculty. As Gupta notes, the success of reintegration seems doubtful, as the underlying problems may not yet be resolved. Which begs the question, should the unification of four fields be imposed while the natural drift/tendency is towards differentiation? One aspect of the article I was wondering about was, if the four field approach is not represented in the Anthropology Department, will this reflect in a diminishment in the breadth of research by faculty? 
      There isn&#039;t a law we should have a four field approach, and as some have made clear here why not five field, six or . . .. I certainly see the contribution of history, having just finished Bruce Triggers&#039;early work on Huronia. I might also mention Inga Clendinnen&#039;s Ambivalent Conquests as another example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kerim, the article on Stanford&#8217;s reuniting the two anthropologies does seem a top-down decision by the dean of H&amp;S. One that, from a few comments, is not well received by faculty. As Gupta notes, the success of reintegration seems doubtful, as the underlying problems may not yet be resolved. Which begs the question, should the unification of four fields be imposed while the natural drift/tendency is towards differentiation? One aspect of the article I was wondering about was, if the four field approach is not represented in the Anthropology Department, will this reflect in a diminishment in the breadth of research by faculty?<br />
      There isn&#8217;t a law we should have a four field approach, and as some have made clear here why not five field, six or . . .. I certainly see the contribution of history, having just finished Bruce Triggers&#8217;early work on Huronia. I might also mention Inga Clendinnen&#8217;s Ambivalent Conquests as another example.
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		<title>By: Grad Student Guy</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 21:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My oversight of linguistics is largely to due to the fact that most anthropology departments where I have studied, generally only have one or two full time linguistics professors (as compared to four or more in other subfields).  Administrators seem very resistant to hiring linguitic anthropologists if there are other linguistics programs on campus.  Apologies to all of the linguistic professors out there.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My oversight of linguistics is largely to due to the fact that most anthropology departments where I have studied, generally only have one or two full time linguistics professors (as compared to four or more in other subfields).  Administrators seem very resistant to hiring linguitic anthropologists if there are other linguistics programs on campus.  Apologies to all of the linguistic professors out there.</p>
<p>Btw&#8230;.how do you go about posting a smile here?
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		<title>By: lmichael</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 16:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that lamentations of the demise of the four-field approach that then go on to enumerate *three* fields are unwittingly pretty funny. There was a long letter to AN a couptle of years ago that did exactly the same thing, and other posts here at SM. Perhaps practitioners of the fourth field (like myself) are just being touchy, but I do sometimes wonder about the sincerity of such lamentations when the lamenters can&#039;t even remember all four fields ;).

GSG, I&#039;m just being smart-alecky; I otherwise find much to agree with in you post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that lamentations of the demise of the four-field approach that then go on to enumerate *three* fields are unwittingly pretty funny. There was a long letter to AN a couptle of years ago that did exactly the same thing, and other posts here at SM. Perhaps practitioners of the fourth field (like myself) are just being touchy, but I do sometimes wonder about the sincerity of such lamentations when the lamenters can&#8217;t even remember all four fields ;).</p>
<p>GSG, I&#8217;m just being smart-alecky; I otherwise find much to agree with in you post.
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		<title>By: GoNow</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 12:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow -- I think I&#039;m a student in that hypothetical department.  I can think of a professor for each of the specializations you mentioned.
There are gaps, but they do talk.
But I&#039;m just an undergraduate...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow &#8212; I think I&#8217;m a student in that hypothetical department.  I can think of a professor for each of the specializations you mentioned.<br />
There are gaps, but they do talk.<br />
But I&#8217;m just an undergraduate&#8230;
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		<title>By: Grad Student Guy</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 06:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry about the grammar errors.  I should really stop posting on blogs this early in the morning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry about the grammar errors.  I should really stop posting on blogs this early in the morning.
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		<title>By: Grad Student Guy</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 06:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that a lot of the reason for the &quot;death&quot; of the four field approach is problematic overspecialization in various departments.  For example, a department that has biological anthropologists focusing on bioarch, archaeologists and cultural anthropologists doing ethnohistory has a lot more overlap than a department that has bioanthropologists focused on primates, archaeologists focused on classical Greece, and cultural anthropologists focused on symbolic anthropology (Note: These are hypothetical examples of specializations.  They don&#039;t actually represent real departments).  In the latter case, each subdiscipline at the hypothetical university has become so specialized that they not only do not talk to each other but in some cases, they are only in a narrow dialogue with other people in their own discipline.

As an student faculty representative at two universities before my current PhD. institution, I often witnessed this during highering situations.  When one of the subdisciplines was hiring, people in that subdiscipline would often push for people who were doing something extremely similar.  In one small department for example, two bioanthropologists who were left after retirements (and another prof leaving) wanted to hire more evolutionists despite the fact that those who retired had researched other aspects of bio anthro.  A biocultural anthropologist or bioarchaeologist would have made much more sense in this instance since it would have filled certain gaps in the department and it would have allowed for dialogue between bio and the other disciplines.

Once specialization becomes entrenched and a university becomes known for specializing in one aspect of a subdiscipline then it becomes very hard to turn back the clock.  In order to continue to get a critical mass of grad students, funding and/or administrative support you have to continually replicate what your good at.  In the long run this leads to departments that break into very tiny enclaves.

Second, I&#039;m tired of the science/not sciene debate in anthropology which increases the disciplinary divide as well.  Someone really needs to put a metaphorical bullet in the extreme postmodernists who apparently can&#039;t stand being in the same room as bioanthorpologists and extreme &quot;real&quot; scientists who call everyone who doesn&#039;t share their narrow theoretical approach &quot;hippies&quot; or &quot;stupid.&quot;  I&#039;m sick of professors using theory to justify being assholes to people in other disciplines (or even in their own discipline).  

I especially feel for the grad students in departments other than mine who are pressured to not hang out with people from other disciplines.  In my master&#039;s department and my current Phd. department, I have been lucky in that I have not had that pressure and I have made many friends in other disciplines.  However, I still occasionally run into people who have trouble seperating their disciplinary commmitments from their ability to live their lives (in the sense that they see anyone who doesn&#039;t share their perspective as an enemy and will never hang out with them under any circumstances).  Unfortunately, some of these people will go on to have jobs and perpetuate this problem.  I think that this socializing aspect cannot be ignored when we discuss the divide between disciplines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that a lot of the reason for the &#8220;death&#8221; of the four field approach is problematic overspecialization in various departments.  For example, a department that has biological anthropologists focusing on bioarch, archaeologists and cultural anthropologists doing ethnohistory has a lot more overlap than a department that has bioanthropologists focused on primates, archaeologists focused on classical Greece, and cultural anthropologists focused on symbolic anthropology (Note: These are hypothetical examples of specializations.  They don&#8217;t actually represent real departments).  In the latter case, each subdiscipline at the hypothetical university has become so specialized that they not only do not talk to each other but in some cases, they are only in a narrow dialogue with other people in their own discipline.</p>
<p>As an student faculty representative at two universities before my current PhD. institution, I often witnessed this during highering situations.  When one of the subdisciplines was hiring, people in that subdiscipline would often push for people who were doing something extremely similar.  In one small department for example, two bioanthropologists who were left after retirements (and another prof leaving) wanted to hire more evolutionists despite the fact that those who retired had researched other aspects of bio anthro.  A biocultural anthropologist or bioarchaeologist would have made much more sense in this instance since it would have filled certain gaps in the department and it would have allowed for dialogue between bio and the other disciplines.</p>
<p>Once specialization becomes entrenched and a university becomes known for specializing in one aspect of a subdiscipline then it becomes very hard to turn back the clock.  In order to continue to get a critical mass of grad students, funding and/or administrative support you have to continually replicate what your good at.  In the long run this leads to departments that break into very tiny enclaves.</p>
<p>Second, I&#8217;m tired of the science/not sciene debate in anthropology which increases the disciplinary divide as well.  Someone really needs to put a metaphorical bullet in the extreme postmodernists who apparently can&#8217;t stand being in the same room as bioanthorpologists and extreme &#8220;real&#8221; scientists who call everyone who doesn&#8217;t share their narrow theoretical approach &#8220;hippies&#8221; or &#8220;stupid.&#8221;  I&#8217;m sick of professors using theory to justify being assholes to people in other disciplines (or even in their own discipline).  </p>
<p>I especially feel for the grad students in departments other than mine who are pressured to not hang out with people from other disciplines.  In my master&#8217;s department and my current Phd. department, I have been lucky in that I have not had that pressure and I have made many friends in other disciplines.  However, I still occasionally run into people who have trouble seperating their disciplinary commmitments from their ability to live their lives (in the sense that they see anyone who doesn&#8217;t share their perspective as an enemy and will never hang out with them under any circumstances).  Unfortunately, some of these people will go on to have jobs and perpetuate this problem.  I think that this socializing aspect cannot be ignored when we discuss the divide between disciplines.
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