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	<title>Comments on: Harpending on Neo-Liberal Genetics: So, so wrong</title>
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		<title>By: strong</title>
		<link>http://savageminds.org/2007/03/20/harpending-on-neo-liberal-genetics-so-so-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-62783</link>
		<dc:creator>strong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 14:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rex, as usual, you rawk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rex, as usual, you rawk.</p>
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		<title>By: Rex</title>
		<link>http://savageminds.org/2007/03/20/harpending-on-neo-liberal-genetics-so-so-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-60724</link>
		<dc:creator>Rex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 18:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a tendency on the part of some to understand participants in debates about evolutionary psychology as  the &quot;the real hard-minded scientists&quot; (i.e. evolutionary psychologists) versus the superstitious and mislead leftists who hate it when science deflates their political fantasies. But what is really going on is something more complicated then that. As the nature-nurture division breaks down, the division of scientific labor that was based on it is dissolving and resolving itself in new patterns. McKinnon&#039;s pamphlet is part of the -- very social -- process of figuring out what the new disciplinary constellation which studies &#039;human nature&#039; will look like.

So what is going on is more important -- and potentiall productive -- then &quot;the science moving on while the right and left fight over the scraps&quot; or &quot;the REAL scientists fighting the obfuscatory forces of the politically correct.&quot; 

McKinnon&#039;s contribution to the debate is (among other things) an insistence that the new science 1) have a reflexive awareness of the way that its practitioners&#039; preconceptions influence their approach to the data and 2) rely on the existing ethnographic record (rather than, say, animal behavior) to determine how, on the whole, humans live their lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a tendency on the part of some to understand participants in debates about evolutionary psychology as  the &#8220;the real hard-minded scientists&#8221; (i.e. evolutionary psychologists) versus the superstitious and mislead leftists who hate it when science deflates their political fantasies. But what is really going on is something more complicated then that. As the nature-nurture division breaks down, the division of scientific labor that was based on it is dissolving and resolving itself in new patterns. McKinnon&#8217;s pamphlet is part of the &#8212; very social &#8212; process of figuring out what the new disciplinary constellation which studies &#8216;human nature&#8217; will look like.</p>
<p>So what is going on is more important &#8212; and potentiall productive &#8212; then &#8220;the science moving on while the right and left fight over the scraps&#8221; or &#8220;the REAL scientists fighting the obfuscatory forces of the politically correct.&#8221; </p>
<p>McKinnon&#8217;s contribution to the debate is (among other things) an insistence that the new science 1) have a reflexive awareness of the way that its practitioners&#8217; preconceptions influence their approach to the data and 2) rely on the existing ethnographic record (rather than, say, animal behavior) to determine how, on the whole, humans live their lives.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Taghioff</title>
		<link>http://savageminds.org/2007/03/20/harpending-on-neo-liberal-genetics-so-so-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-60606</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Taghioff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 08:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The ferocity of this debate is somewhat mystfying.  There are a lot of authors who are talking about nature through nurture i.e about the expression of genes being entangled with environmental and cultural factors and so on, this seems to be where the leadning edge of the science is going. The science has moved on, whilst the controversy seems to have stood still.

It almost seems like this is a proxy war between right wing and left wing social scientist, with the biological material being used rather like Afganisthan was, as a convenient location for a scrap.  A bit like two guys in a bar deciding to go outside.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ferocity of this debate is somewhat mystfying.  There are a lot of authors who are talking about nature through nurture i.e about the expression of genes being entangled with environmental and cultural factors and so on, this seems to be where the leadning edge of the science is going. The science has moved on, whilst the controversy seems to have stood still.</p>
<p>It almost seems like this is a proxy war between right wing and left wing social scientist, with the biological material being used rather like Afganisthan was, as a convenient location for a scrap.  A bit like two guys in a bar deciding to go outside.</p>
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		<title>By: Biella</title>
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		<dc:creator>Biella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 23:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex,

Thank so much for writing this “counter-review.” You are so so so right.

I am somewhat familiar with the field of evolutionary psychology and I agree with your assessment that her arguments about the “shoddy science” of evolutionary psychology are pretty sound.
But what I am most shocked at is that that the essay could—by any standard—be characterized as a “a rambling screed.”
After reading it, I marked down passages that I thought were as clear as they come and I started scheming as to how I could include her book in a range of my classes, simply to demonstrate the power of a really, really well-reasoned argument. And further as a prime-rib example that you can offer complicated ideas in clear, easy-to-rip-off “packaging.”

It sort of stuns me how such radically different assessments can be reached over the clarity of her writing. Perhaps he was just so incensed at the content, he let his judgment slip so as to attack not just the argument but the form. But in my estimation, her essay was one of the best in the PPP series and given how few ladies have published in the series (which also frustrates me but that is a whole other topic) I was especially proud of her kick-a$$ writing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex,</p>
<p>Thank so much for writing this “counter-review.” You are so so so right.</p>
<p>I am somewhat familiar with the field of evolutionary psychology and I agree with your assessment that her arguments about the “shoddy science” of evolutionary psychology are pretty sound.<br />
But what I am most shocked at is that that the essay could—by any standard—be characterized as a “a rambling screed.”<br />
After reading it, I marked down passages that I thought were as clear as they come and I started scheming as to how I could include her book in a range of my classes, simply to demonstrate the power of a really, really well-reasoned argument. And further as a prime-rib example that you can offer complicated ideas in clear, easy-to-rip-off “packaging.”</p>
<p>It sort of stuns me how such radically different assessments can be reached over the clarity of her writing. Perhaps he was just so incensed at the content, he let his judgment slip so as to attack not just the argument but the form. But in my estimation, her essay was one of the best in the PPP series and given how few ladies have published in the series (which also frustrates me but that is a whole other topic) I was especially proud of her kick-a$$ writing.</p>
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		<title>By: Rex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 20:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It used to be that Prickly Paradigm had a policy of making all their work open access after a year or two. I think it would be great if Susan could make her work available to the public -- it would certainly be the best way for her to achieve her goal of getting the word out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It used to be that Prickly Paradigm had a policy of making all their work open access after a year or two. I think it would be great if Susan could make her work available to the public &#8212; it would certainly be the best way for her to achieve her goal of getting the word out.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne Gilbert</title>
		<link>http://savageminds.org/2007/03/20/harpending-on-neo-liberal-genetics-so-so-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-60441</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne Gilbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 19:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rex:

I would, of course, very much like to read both McKinnon&#039;s piece and Harpending&#039;s.  I like to judge for myself on these matters.  Since I haven&#039;t read either at this point, I&#039;ll have to take your word for the results.  I can only add that, whatever McKinnon and Harpending say about it, my impression of evolutionary psychology as a discipline is, it&#039;s not, at this point, science.
Anne G</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rex:</p>
<p>I would, of course, very much like to read both McKinnon&#8217;s piece and Harpending&#8217;s.  I like to judge for myself on these matters.  Since I haven&#8217;t read either at this point, I&#8217;ll have to take your word for the results.  I can only add that, whatever McKinnon and Harpending say about it, my impression of evolutionary psychology as a discipline is, it&#8217;s not, at this point, science.<br />
Anne G</p>
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		<title>By: Rex</title>
		<link>http://savageminds.org/2007/03/20/harpending-on-neo-liberal-genetics-so-so-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-59948</link>
		<dc:creator>Rex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 03:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes well you see this is the thing -- if you _like_ evolutionary psychology as a discipline then you may very well read McKinnon&#039;s pamphlet and totally disagree with her. But that is different from what Harpending is doing, which is to pretty much Totally Miss The Point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes well you see this is the thing &#8212; if you _like_ evolutionary psychology as a discipline then you may very well read McKinnon&#8217;s pamphlet and totally disagree with her. But that is different from what Harpending is doing, which is to pretty much Totally Miss The Point.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne Gilbert</title>
		<link>http://savageminds.org/2007/03/20/harpending-on-neo-liberal-genetics-so-so-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-59881</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne Gilbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 01:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since I am the moderator of an e-mail list devoted to paleoanthropology and prehistoric archaeology, and am on the mailing lists of several others, including one devoted to evolutionary psychology, I read this review with some interest.  I am not personally acquainted with Harpending. Nor, I should add, am I an anthropologist of any sort.  I&#039;m actually a writer of &quot;anthropological&quot; science fiction.  Nevertheless, I find the comments here quite pertinent, since the evolutionary psychology list I belong to seems to me to have a very limited understanding of cultures outside of Western European ones.  I also note that this list is very heavily male-dominated, though there are some women on it.  My impression is that evolutionary psychology in general is attractive to those who want their biases confirmed, but is not very good science, and certainly not attractive to anybody else.  Of course now I&#039;ll have to read McKinnon&#039;s critique of the field. . . .
Anne Gilbert</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since I am the moderator of an e-mail list devoted to paleoanthropology and prehistoric archaeology, and am on the mailing lists of several others, including one devoted to evolutionary psychology, I read this review with some interest.  I am not personally acquainted with Harpending. Nor, I should add, am I an anthropologist of any sort.  I&#8217;m actually a writer of &#8220;anthropological&#8221; science fiction.  Nevertheless, I find the comments here quite pertinent, since the evolutionary psychology list I belong to seems to me to have a very limited understanding of cultures outside of Western European ones.  I also note that this list is very heavily male-dominated, though there are some women on it.  My impression is that evolutionary psychology in general is attractive to those who want their biases confirmed, but is not very good science, and certainly not attractive to anybody else.  Of course now I&#8217;ll have to read McKinnon&#8217;s critique of the field. . . .<br />
Anne Gilbert</p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen Lowrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathleen Lowrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 23:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s always good to fight a good fight but now having read the Harpending review I think it pretty much damns itself:  he calls MacKinnon &quot;in over her head&quot; in her discussion of genetic causality when it is clear from what follows he has no idea what has been transpiring in the past decade in the field of evo-devo.  Snatching the high &quot;Mr. Science&quot; ground is rawther more devastating if one actually keeps up with the emerging literature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s always good to fight a good fight but now having read the Harpending review I think it pretty much damns itself:  he calls MacKinnon &#8220;in over her head&#8221; in her discussion of genetic causality when it is clear from what follows he has no idea what has been transpiring in the past decade in the field of evo-devo.  Snatching the high &#8220;Mr. Science&#8221; ground is rawther more devastating if one actually keeps up with the emerging literature.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthropologists get hot about MacKinnon &#171; ubikcan</title>
		<link>http://savageminds.org/2007/03/20/harpending-on-neo-liberal-genetics-so-so-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-59273</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthropologists get hot about MacKinnon &#171; ubikcan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2007 21:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Mar 20th, 2007 by ubikcan    The anthropology website provides an interesting rebuttal to a book review of Neo-liberal Genetics, by Susan MacKinnon. The rebuttal says the book review is so wrong-headed as to verge on the libelous: Henry Harpending’s review is so confused and unfair that I simply can’t let it go unanswered. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Mar 20th, 2007 by ubikcan    The anthropology website provides an interesting rebuttal to a book review of Neo-liberal Genetics, by Susan MacKinnon. The rebuttal says the book review is so wrong-headed as to verge on the libelous: Henry Harpending’s review is so confused and unfair that I simply can’t let it go unanswered. [...]</p>
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