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		<title>By: Savage Minds: Notes and Queries in Anthropology — A Group Blog &#187; Please Welcome Guest Blogger Rena Lederman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Savage Minds: Notes and Queries in Anthropology — A Group Blog &#187; Please Welcome Guest Blogger Rena Lederman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 12:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Savage Minds is very pleased to welcome Rena Lederman as a guest blogger for a spell. Rena has taught at Princeton University for over 20 years. Here is an introductory paragraph: Lederman has done fieldwork in Papua New Guinea and the US. Her PNG fieldwork resulted in an ethnography, What Gifts Engender: Social Relations and Politics in Mendi, Highland Papua New Guinea, and numerous journal articles and book chapters on the exchange, inequality and leadership, gender roles and ideologies, historical representations, and socio-cultural transformations. More recently, her research has concerned the anthropology of knowledge practices and their ethical underpinnings. She edited and contributed to Anxious Borders between Work and Life in an Era of Bureaucratic Ethics Regulation (American Ethnologist Forum, November 2006)&#8212;on the politics of &#8220;human subjects&#8221; research oversight&#8212;and is currently completing a book entitled Anthropology Among the Disciplines that situates ethnography&#8217;s peculiar form of expertise comparatively among related kinds of knowledge (like sociology, social psychology, history and journalism). Spinning-off the work on research ethics, she recently designed a new course on The Uses of Deception in Magic and Science. Her other ongoing research concerns the politics of expertise, particularly the challenge of representing science in schools and popular media. Rena will be initiating a discussion of, among other things, current thinking on the politics of IRB oversight of ethnographic research. This has been a hot topic here at SM on several previous occasions, and I hope that everyone will join me in avidly engaging Rena&#8217;s current thinking on this important topic. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Savage Minds is very pleased to welcome Rena Lederman as a guest blogger for a spell. Rena has taught at Princeton University for over 20 years. Here is an introductory paragraph: Lederman has done fieldwork in Papua New Guinea and the US. Her PNG fieldwork resulted in an ethnography, What Gifts Engender: Social Relations and Politics in Mendi, Highland Papua New Guinea, and numerous journal articles and book chapters on the exchange, inequality and leadership, gender roles and ideologies, historical representations, and socio-cultural transformations. More recently, her research has concerned the anthropology of knowledge practices and their ethical underpinnings. She edited and contributed to Anxious Borders between Work and Life in an Era of Bureaucratic Ethics Regulation (American Ethnologist Forum, November 2006)&#8212;on the politics of &#8220;human subjects&#8221; research oversight&#8212;and is currently completing a book entitled Anthropology Among the Disciplines that situates ethnography&#8217;s peculiar form of expertise comparatively among related kinds of knowledge (like sociology, social psychology, history and journalism). Spinning-off the work on research ethics, she recently designed a new course on The Uses of Deception in Magic and Science. Her other ongoing research concerns the politics of expertise, particularly the challenge of representing science in schools and popular media. Rena will be initiating a discussion of, among other things, current thinking on the politics of IRB oversight of ethnographic research. This has been a hot topic here at SM on several previous occasions, and I hope that everyone will join me in avidly engaging Rena&#8217;s current thinking on this important topic. [...]
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		<title>By: lmichael</title>
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		<dc:creator>lmichael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 17:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ckelty-- It was with respect to the situation you mention in 1. that I was thinking about the utility of explicit and clear AAA/LSA/etc. guidance. If there were, to put it in very concrete terms, a handbook specifically written for IRBs on the relevant ins and outs of ethnography and related methods, then this could serve as a resource for IRBs in making their decisions. Either the IRB could consult it voluntarily, or put-upon researchers could refer the IRB to that guide. 

Of course, what would be better would be to have competent IRB members who could evaluate ethnographic proposals from an informed standpoint -- but come to think of it, even for these people an IRB-oriented handbook could be useful, if only as a resource for convincing skeptical board members that ethnography is not some kooky fringe methodology which leads to widespread emotional scarring and social upheaval.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ckelty&#8211; It was with respect to the situation you mention in 1. that I was thinking about the utility of explicit and clear AAA/LSA/etc. guidance. If there were, to put it in very concrete terms, a handbook specifically written for IRBs on the relevant ins and outs of ethnography and related methods, then this could serve as a resource for IRBs in making their decisions. Either the IRB could consult it voluntarily, or put-upon researchers could refer the IRB to that guide. </p>
<p>Of course, what would be better would be to have competent IRB members who could evaluate ethnographic proposals from an informed standpoint &#8212; but come to think of it, even for these people an IRB-oriented handbook could be useful, if only as a resource for convincing skeptical board members that ethnography is not some kooky fringe methodology which leads to widespread emotional scarring and social upheaval.
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		<title>By: ckelty</title>
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		<dc:creator>ckelty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 17:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>not anthropologists, universities.  individuals, especially poor ones like anthropologists, have much less to worry about than institutions with deep pockets--but most of it is just that... worrying.  Few cases, that I know of, are cited as feasible defense of the kind of anxiety that inhabits most General Counsel offices at universities.

Macco&#039;s question is an excellent one:  I wonder too what Darpa&#039;s IRB looks like... a brief search confirms that darpa and dod both have them, as they are required to by federal law if they do research... but what I wouldn&#039;t give to be a fly on THAT wall...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>not anthropologists, universities.  individuals, especially poor ones like anthropologists, have much less to worry about than institutions with deep pockets&#8211;but most of it is just that&#8230; worrying.  Few cases, that I know of, are cited as feasible defense of the kind of anxiety that inhabits most General Counsel offices at universities.</p>
<p>Macco&#8217;s question is an excellent one:  I wonder too what Darpa&#8217;s IRB looks like&#8230; a brief search confirms that darpa and dod both have them, as they are required to by federal law if they do research&#8230; but what I wouldn&#8217;t give to be a fly on THAT wall&#8230;
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 19:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Forcing everyone into the same line of defense, driven by fears of liability (justifiable, sadly), is what creates situations where consent forms are required of people who can neither read nor understand them.&quot;

Have anthropologists been sued in the past in this manner?  I&#039;m not an anthropologist, so I wouldn&#039;t know if they had.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Forcing everyone into the same line of defense, driven by fears of liability (justifiable, sadly), is what creates situations where consent forms are required of people who can neither read nor understand them.&#8221;</p>
<p>Have anthropologists been sued in the past in this manner?  I&#8217;m not an anthropologist, so I wouldn&#8217;t know if they had.
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		<title>By: Macco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Macco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 16:46:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I want to know is how is it that anthropologists working for the military like Anna Simons, Montgomery McFate or Brian Selmseki have no problems with IRBs?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I want to know is how is it that anthropologists working for the military like Anna Simons, Montgomery McFate or Brian Selmseki have no problems with IRBs?
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		<title>By: ckelty</title>
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		<dc:creator>ckelty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 02:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lmichael-- You are absolutely right, the variation is huge--at least if reactions to the IRB mission creep stories are any indication.  Enlightened folks are very unevenly distributed, and you are lucky to have them in your IRB.  The problem is not that people are uneducated though...  more education by the AAA would be nice, but there is plenty out there already.  Rather, I think the problem is at two levels (and you can tell me if these are true at your institution):

1.  There are not enough people representing social/behavioral sciences on most IRB boards, or their expertise is systematically downgraded w/r/t medical expertise.  So places that are clueful enough to have separate IRB boards for different fields of research have fewer problems in terms of the unreasonable demands made.  In a way, this is so painfully obvious if you think about the madness of letting a bunch of historians decide what constitutes harm in a clinical trial-- we would never do that, but have no problem letting the doctors chime in and determine what constitutes harm in terms of &quot;psychological&quot; &quot;damage&quot; in merely talking with human beings.

2. The demands of &quot;audit culture&quot; and transparency.  So many of these issues are just a result of trying to treat all research projects equally, and to develop procedures for documenting every such decision in standardized ways so that when the lawyers come a-suing, there is plenty of paper to throw at them in defense.  Forcing everyone into the same line of defense, driven by fears of liability (justifiable, sadly), is what creates situations where consent forms are required of people who can neither read nor understand them.  Universities willing to shoulder more risk to avoid this should be heartily commended.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lmichael&#8211; You are absolutely right, the variation is huge&#8211;at least if reactions to the IRB mission creep stories are any indication.  Enlightened folks are very unevenly distributed, and you are lucky to have them in your IRB.  The problem is not that people are uneducated though&#8230;  more education by the AAA would be nice, but there is plenty out there already.  Rather, I think the problem is at two levels (and you can tell me if these are true at your institution):</p>
<p>1.  There are not enough people representing social/behavioral sciences on most IRB boards, or their expertise is systematically downgraded w/r/t medical expertise.  So places that are clueful enough to have separate IRB boards for different fields of research have fewer problems in terms of the unreasonable demands made.  In a way, this is so painfully obvious if you think about the madness of letting a bunch of historians decide what constitutes harm in a clinical trial&#8211; we would never do that, but have no problem letting the doctors chime in and determine what constitutes harm in terms of &#8220;psychological&#8221; &#8220;damage&#8221; in merely talking with human beings.</p>
<p>2. The demands of &#8220;audit culture&#8221; and transparency.  So many of these issues are just a result of trying to treat all research projects equally, and to develop procedures for documenting every such decision in standardized ways so that when the lawyers come a-suing, there is plenty of paper to throw at them in defense.  Forcing everyone into the same line of defense, driven by fears of liability (justifiable, sadly), is what creates situations where consent forms are required of people who can neither read nor understand them.  Universities willing to shoulder more risk to avoid this should be heartily commended.
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		<title>By: lmichael</title>
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		<dc:creator>lmichael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am really struck, reading this nytimes story, and having read other complaints about IRB difficulties, by how differently IRBs seem to behave from university to university. This variation itself seems to me a sign that the IRBs are really in the dark about what they are supposed to be doing.

The story&#039;s reference to a linguist working with a &quot;pre-literate tribe&quot; being asked to read and sign consent forms was particularly striking in this regard. I work in the Amazon basin with a number of different groups, some with literate members, some without, and I have found the IRB at my university very sensible and flexible about things like signing consent forms. The solution I proposed in one case, in consultation with the IRB, was to read to the people I was working with an explanation  of what I was planning to do with my audio recordings, and what would happen with them, and ask for oral permission to make and use the recording in the indicated manner. Then, to satisfy the letter of the law, *I* would sign the consent form on the person&#039;s behalf. OK, this process might sound a little Rube Goldberg-esque, but what comes out is informed consent and a signed form. The point is, the IRB immediately recognized the inappropriateness of the traditional consent form, and was very amenable to a work-around. The crucial difference, it seems to me, is that this particular IRB seems to take seriously the spirit behind protecting &quot;human subjects&quot;, but does not seem to want to impede research getting done by being inflexible about how this protection is acheived. And given the heavy grant-driven research-oriented nature of the university, I am not surprised by this.

Obviously, not all IRBs are like this, and it makes me wonder how much of the trouble with IRBs is the result of relatively clueless faculty and/or administrators floundering about, and in their insecurity, opting for rigidly following the letter of the guidelines. If this is the problem, I wonder if guidance and education by AAA, LSA, and other professional organizations is really what is needed to get IRBs behaving sensibly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am really struck, reading this nytimes story, and having read other complaints about IRB difficulties, by how differently IRBs seem to behave from university to university. This variation itself seems to me a sign that the IRBs are really in the dark about what they are supposed to be doing.</p>
<p>The story&#8217;s reference to a linguist working with a &#8220;pre-literate tribe&#8221; being asked to read and sign consent forms was particularly striking in this regard. I work in the Amazon basin with a number of different groups, some with literate members, some without, and I have found the IRB at my university very sensible and flexible about things like signing consent forms. The solution I proposed in one case, in consultation with the IRB, was to read to the people I was working with an explanation  of what I was planning to do with my audio recordings, and what would happen with them, and ask for oral permission to make and use the recording in the indicated manner. Then, to satisfy the letter of the law, *I* would sign the consent form on the person&#8217;s behalf. OK, this process might sound a little Rube Goldberg-esque, but what comes out is informed consent and a signed form. The point is, the IRB immediately recognized the inappropriateness of the traditional consent form, and was very amenable to a work-around. The crucial difference, it seems to me, is that this particular IRB seems to take seriously the spirit behind protecting &#8220;human subjects&#8221;, but does not seem to want to impede research getting done by being inflexible about how this protection is acheived. And given the heavy grant-driven research-oriented nature of the university, I am not surprised by this.</p>
<p>Obviously, not all IRBs are like this, and it makes me wonder how much of the trouble with IRBs is the result of relatively clueless faculty and/or administrators floundering about, and in their insecurity, opting for rigidly following the letter of the guidelines. If this is the problem, I wonder if guidance and education by AAA, LSA, and other professional organizations is really what is needed to get IRBs behaving sensibly.
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