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	<title>Comments on: Great Diagrams in the History of Anthropology:  Iconism, Ecologism, and the Wild Man</title>
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		<title>By: Strong</title>
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		<dc:creator>Strong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 08:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mhwk:

Gell calls his argument \&#039;environmentally determinist,\&#039; as he expects to find certain \&#039;auditory\&#039; elaborations in specific physical environments, especially the rainforest.

Nevertheless, people in the de-forested Asaro valley also establish all kinds of equations between \&#039;themselves\&#039; and the \&#039;forest\&#039; or specifically \&#039;trees.\&#039;  These include lost rituals such as the preparation of a special formulation of (white) grubs dug out of a particular tree to feed to girls undergoing seclusion after first menses, to everyday commonplace equations between particular clans and the trees they consider their \&#039;omoso,\&#039; which is a construct that is rather totemic -- men equate the shine on their skins to the twirling leaves in the wind.  Myths relate the forest as a wonderful and dangerous place, full of reprodutive power and threat.  There is a palpable sense in which spirits live in the high forest.

I rarely really experience the high mountain forest in New Guinea as anything other than frightening, mainly because by the time I get up into it, I\&#039;m too exhausted to stop and smell the moss, unlike my companions who trounce along in bare feet with great agility.  My companions are notably energized by hikes up into the high bush:  shirts come off, flowers (orchids) are stuck into hair, singing starts, colorful muds are spread across the cheek.  The frail anthropologist, while admiring this robustness, focuses on trying not to slip on the rocks and fall to a tragic death.

I wonder how other cinematic narratives of \&#039;enchantment\&#039; (like Lord of the Rings), play for folks who actually inhabit such enchanted places.  Say, for example, Princess Mononoke...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mhwk:</p>
<p>Gell calls his argument \&#8217;environmentally determinist,\&#8217; as he expects to find certain \&#8217;auditory\&#8217; elaborations in specific physical environments, especially the rainforest.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, people in the de-forested Asaro valley also establish all kinds of equations between \&#8217;themselves\&#8217; and the \&#8217;forest\&#8217; or specifically \&#8217;trees.\&#8217;  These include lost rituals such as the preparation of a special formulation of (white) grubs dug out of a particular tree to feed to girls undergoing seclusion after first menses, to everyday commonplace equations between particular clans and the trees they consider their \&#8217;omoso,\&#8217; which is a construct that is rather totemic &#8212; men equate the shine on their skins to the twirling leaves in the wind.  Myths relate the forest as a wonderful and dangerous place, full of reprodutive power and threat.  There is a palpable sense in which spirits live in the high forest.</p>
<p>I rarely really experience the high mountain forest in New Guinea as anything other than frightening, mainly because by the time I get up into it, I\&#8217;m too exhausted to stop and smell the moss, unlike my companions who trounce along in bare feet with great agility.  My companions are notably energized by hikes up into the high bush:  shirts come off, flowers (orchids) are stuck into hair, singing starts, colorful muds are spread across the cheek.  The frail anthropologist, while admiring this robustness, focuses on trying not to slip on the rocks and fall to a tragic death.</p>
<p>I wonder how other cinematic narratives of \&#8217;enchantment\&#8217; (like Lord of the Rings), play for folks who actually inhabit such enchanted places.  Say, for example, Princess Mononoke&#8230;
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		<title>By: mohawk</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 14:26:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wild and beautiful, thanks for posting this Strong! 

A couple of years ago missionaries showed Gimi-speakers in PNG the Lord of the Rings trilogy.  This drawing reminds me of the many (MANY) discussions I had about Ents after the movies with old guys who know / remember the multiple names for things.  One night this spun into a discussion of morphemes (of course) and it was the first time I really think I got my head around how forest-related Gimi-language and forest sounds and beings transact with Gimi to make worlds. This drawing reminds me of that night.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wild and beautiful, thanks for posting this Strong! </p>
<p>A couple of years ago missionaries showed Gimi-speakers in PNG the Lord of the Rings trilogy.  This drawing reminds me of the many (MANY) discussions I had about Ents after the movies with old guys who know / remember the multiple names for things.  One night this spun into a discussion of morphemes (of course) and it was the first time I really think I got my head around how forest-related Gimi-language and forest sounds and beings transact with Gimi to make worlds. This drawing reminds me of that night.
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