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		<title>By: Pack Your Romantic Mind &#171; Get a Job You Situationist!!!</title>
		<link>http://savageminds.org/2006/06/21/the-end-of-marriage/comment-page-2/#comment-67197</link>
		<dc:creator>Pack Your Romantic Mind &#171; Get a Job You Situationist!!!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 15:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The odd conundrum about the whole “marriage under attack” ideology is that the family values and market values held so nearly and dearly by social conservatives seem to be canceling each other out. The wild and free market of rampant consumerism is antithetical to the settled communitarian milieu in which families are commonly believed to thrive. Neither gays, feminists, communists, child-haters, nor blood-thirsty trolls are attacking marriage from the outside. The disintegration of marriage is happening from within in no small part due to the internalization of market values which place a premium on consumption and image at the expense of emotional, psychological, and spiritual well-being. More consumption has come to equal more happiness in the twisted logic of our consumer society when, in fact, quite the opposite is true, and romance is nothing but a means of compelling consumption and an act of consumption in and of itself. For an excellent examination of the how market forces are eroding marriage and family, see The End of Marriage at savageminds.org. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The odd conundrum about the whole “marriage under attack” ideology is that the family values and market values held so nearly and dearly by social conservatives seem to be canceling each other out. The wild and free market of rampant consumerism is antithetical to the settled communitarian milieu in which families are commonly believed to thrive. Neither gays, feminists, communists, child-haters, nor blood-thirsty trolls are attacking marriage from the outside. The disintegration of marriage is happening from within in no small part due to the internalization of market values which place a premium on consumption and image at the expense of emotional, psychological, and spiritual well-being. More consumption has come to equal more happiness in the twisted logic of our consumer society when, in fact, quite the opposite is true, and romance is nothing but a means of compelling consumption and an act of consumption in and of itself. For an excellent examination of the how market forces are eroding marriage and family, see The End of Marriage at savageminds.org. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Brush away the cobwebs from your daydreams &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2006-06-22</title>
		<link>http://savageminds.org/2006/06/21/the-end-of-marriage/comment-page-2/#comment-50631</link>
		<dc:creator>Brush away the cobwebs from your daydreams &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2006-06-22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 20:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Notes and Queries in Anthropology: The End of Marriage Makes similair points as the article I read in Reason magazine last night. (tags: history philosophy politics) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Alana Post &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2006-12-27</title>
		<link>http://savageminds.org/2006/06/21/the-end-of-marriage/comment-page-2/#comment-45882</link>
		<dc:creator>Alana Post &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2006-12-27</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jan 2007 19:09:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Savage Minds: Notes and Queries in Anthropology &#8212; A Group Blog &#187; The End of Marriage (tags: anthropology marriage articles reference) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
		<link>http://savageminds.org/2006/06/21/the-end-of-marriage/comment-page-2/#comment-42245</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Dec 2006 21:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Especially appreciate the discussion and the comments on function v. ritual.</description>
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		<title>By: MSavage</title>
		<link>http://savageminds.org/2006/06/21/the-end-of-marriage/comment-page-2/#comment-37088</link>
		<dc:creator>MSavage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Oct 2006 04:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A point that has always intrigued me regarding both marriage and divorce is the onset of effective, low cost, and readily accessible birth control. As a factor in the declining rate of marriage, and the increase in divorces, I would suspect that it ranks very high. Women can decide their own agenda for reproduction, and as such empower themselves as individuals. Would that not effectively change the dynamics of marriage...at least at some level?

While it would comforting to assign broad motivations to what is in essence a personal choice, are we then ignoring the impact of birth control in allowing individuals to reassign the importance of marriage in their lives?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A point that has always intrigued me regarding both marriage and divorce is the onset of effective, low cost, and readily accessible birth control. As a factor in the declining rate of marriage, and the increase in divorces, I would suspect that it ranks very high. Women can decide their own agenda for reproduction, and as such empower themselves as individuals. Would that not effectively change the dynamics of marriage&#8230;at least at some level?</p>
<p>While it would comforting to assign broad motivations to what is in essence a personal choice, are we then ignoring the impact of birth control in allowing individuals to reassign the importance of marriage in their lives?</p>
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		<title>By: Wa Salaam</title>
		<link>http://savageminds.org/2006/06/21/the-end-of-marriage/comment-page-2/#comment-34139</link>
		<dc:creator>Wa Salaam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Polygamy (Part 2): Social Reform and Education...&lt;/strong&gt;

Some of you whom have read my first article may wonder, what has caused this interest in polygamy? Some may have concluded this is just some Muslim&#8217;s way of spreading his culture in America. Others of you may have thought of your own reasons for ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Polygamy (Part 2): Social Reform and Education&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Some of you whom have read my first article may wonder, what has caused this interest in polygamy? Some may have concluded this is just some Muslim&#8217;s way of spreading his culture in America. Others of you may have thought of your own reasons for &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Heza</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2006 09:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you to Mr. McCreery and Oneman for their debate on past/present/future function of marriage. I am a 28-year old female in a healthy, committed relationship, who happened upon this site while searching Google for marriage-free topics. I often question myself what function marriage will serve me and my partner. I have no anthropological training nor strong ties to tradition, so your arguments have been quite informative and will most definitely provided an avenue for deeper discussion between my partner and I.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you to Mr. McCreery and Oneman for their debate on past/present/future function of marriage. I am a 28-year old female in a healthy, committed relationship, who happened upon this site while searching Google for marriage-free topics. I often question myself what function marriage will serve me and my partner. I have no anthropological training nor strong ties to tradition, so your arguments have been quite informative and will most definitely provided an avenue for deeper discussion between my partner and I.</p>
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		<title>By: I[AM] &#187; Marriage &#38; Commitment - A Conversation between two.</title>
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		<dc:creator>I[AM] &#187; Marriage &#38; Commitment - A Conversation between two.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2006 15:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Aniroodh&#8217;s reply: &#8220;What is marriage? - I, personally, agree that it is a bonding of love and a responsibility for life. Also in the article, The end of marriage, it has been mentioned how marriage became a tradition in earlier life due to the existence of farmers and lands. The bonding will lead to the increase in the land and flourish the business. But currently, there is hardly anything of that sort at least in upper middle class families. The type of family that exist is nuclear rather than joint family. So then what is the point of marriage in today&#8217;s society? - If one is committed to the lover, then why is the ritual of marriage necessary? - There still exist a way to get out of marriage - divorce - then why create some artificial bonding which can be broken regardless. Currently, as it stands , there are divorces happening all over the place and it is increasing. Thus, marriage is just an artificial thin cover over commitment - one can call it a &#8216;glazed&#8217; commitment. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Aniroodh&#8217;s reply: &#8220;What is marriage? &#8211; I, personally, agree that it is a bonding of love and a responsibility for life. Also in the article, The end of marriage, it has been mentioned how marriage became a tradition in earlier life due to the existence of farmers and lands. The bonding will lead to the increase in the land and flourish the business. But currently, there is hardly anything of that sort at least in upper middle class families. The type of family that exist is nuclear rather than joint family. So then what is the point of marriage in today&#8217;s society? &#8211; If one is committed to the lover, then why is the ritual of marriage necessary? &#8211; There still exist a way to get out of marriage &#8211; divorce &#8211; then why create some artificial bonding which can be broken regardless. Currently, as it stands , there are divorces happening all over the place and it is increasing. Thus, marriage is just an artificial thin cover over commitment &#8211; one can call it a &#8216;glazed&#8217; commitment. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jul 2006 02:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we should leave the spam email above on the record as a fitting end to this thread ;!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we should leave the spam email above on the record as a fitting end to this thread ;!)</p>
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		<title>By: archy</title>
		<link>http://savageminds.org/2006/06/21/the-end-of-marriage/comment-page-2/#comment-14490</link>
		<dc:creator>archy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jul 2006 01:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>emotional satisfaction is very importance i think, it plays alot of works in the merriage.. it&#039;s a matter of how you assure your partner in any ways and work your love in the a meaningful idea. just like &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.maniladreamgirls.com/filipina-single-ladies-looking-for-marriage/index.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Filipina ladies looking for marriage&lt;/a&gt; they&#039;re educated about this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>emotional satisfaction is very importance i think, it plays alot of works in the merriage.. it&#8217;s a matter of how you assure your partner in any ways and work your love in the a meaningful idea. just like <a href="http://www.maniladreamgirls.com/filipina-single-ladies-looking-for-marriage/index.htm" rel="nofollow">Filipina ladies looking for marriage</a> they&#8217;re educated about this.</p>
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		<title>By: Aquari</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aquari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2006 21:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oneman, I hope everything resolves itself okay. Best of luck.

One final comment out of me, re: the narrow picture of marriage pop culture presents. A song occured to me, a single solitary counter-example, but a favourite one. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dance-lyrics.com/songs/livin_on_a_prayer_2579.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Livin&#039; On A Prayer&lt;/a&gt;, by Bon Jovi. Reading over the lyrics with this discussion in mind, I couldn&#039;t help smiling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oneman, I hope everything resolves itself okay. Best of luck.</p>
<p>One final comment out of me, re: the narrow picture of marriage pop culture presents. A song occured to me, a single solitary counter-example, but a favourite one. <a href="http://www.dance-lyrics.com/songs/livin_on_a_prayer_2579.htm" rel="nofollow">Livin&#8217; On A Prayer</a>, by Bon Jovi. Reading over the lyrics with this discussion in mind, I couldn&#8217;t help smiling.</p>
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		<title>By: John McCreery</title>
		<link>http://savageminds.org/2006/06/21/the-end-of-marriage/comment-page-2/#comment-11405</link>
		<dc:creator>John McCreery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2006 22:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ouch. Take care, move safely and smoothly. The data will wait until crises are past. Me, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ouch. Take care, move safely and smoothly. The data will wait until crises are past. Me, too.</p>
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		<title>By: oneman</title>
		<link>http://savageminds.org/2006/06/21/the-end-of-marriage/comment-page-2/#comment-11359</link>
		<dc:creator>oneman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2006 06:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, while I could deal with the extract you posted, a series of life crises has kept me too busy to do much mroe than react the last couple of days.  As it turns out, I&#039;ll be moving in 8 days, so you can imagine how little I&#039;ll be able to pursue any further research.  I do hope you&#039;ll take a look back over some of the comments here -- I don&#039;t think I&#039;m saying what you think I&#039;m saying.  I may not even be saying what *I* think I&#039;m saying.  I&#039;ve already conceded a pretty serious flaw in my reasoning above -- I don&#039;t think it invalidates everything I&#039;m saying, but it does suggest that the prediction that marriage might disappear is not a very strong one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, while I could deal with the extract you posted, a series of life crises has kept me too busy to do much mroe than react the last couple of days.  As it turns out, I&#8217;ll be moving in 8 days, so you can imagine how little I&#8217;ll be able to pursue any further research.  I do hope you&#8217;ll take a look back over some of the comments here &#8212; I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;m saying what you think I&#8217;m saying.  I may not even be saying what *I* think I&#8217;m saying.  I&#8217;ve already conceded a pretty serious flaw in my reasoning above &#8212; I don&#8217;t think it invalidates everything I&#8217;m saying, but it does suggest that the prediction that marriage might disappear is not a very strong one.</p>
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		<title>By: John McCreery</title>
		<link>http://savageminds.org/2006/06/21/the-end-of-marriage/comment-page-2/#comment-11325</link>
		<dc:creator>John McCreery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2006 00:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must admit that I am disappointed in oneman&#039;s apparent disclination to engage the data to which I provided links. 

There are some interesting thoughts in what oneman has had to say. I think, in particular, of the idea that what business increasingly wants from both customers and workers is rootless individuals. His last observation that popular culture focuses either on the path to &quot;They lived happily ever after&quot; or the dramas that arise when relationships fall apart but ignore mundane lives is also a line worth pursuing.

Just now, however, over on Anthro-L, Mike Pavik has posted a list of lessons from anthropology that he teaches in his introductory course.

&lt;blockquote&gt;1. Culture is a Total Lifeway - not just a superficial set of customs.  It largely shapes how an individual feels, perceives and behaves.  It also shapes how an individual adapts to an environment.
 
  2. Every culture is a system - and a cultural system is an interconnected series of ideas and patterns for behavior in which changes in one aspect generally lead to changes in other segments of the system.
3. Every human cultural system is logical and coherent in its own terms, given the basic assumptions and knowledge available to that society.
 
4.  The customs and beliefs of peoples are often more understandable by studying them in the terms of the social interrelations among types of individuals and groups - status and role in social action. 
5. The customs and beliefs of peoples are often more understandable if we examine them from individual psychological and cultural perspectives.
 
6.  Analysis of the implications ( or manifest functions ) of cultural behavior must take into account the explicit beliefs and intentions of the people involved; but analysis must also be made of the unnoticed, unintended further consequences  ( latent functions ) of particular actions and beliefs.  In anthropology, this is called the emic and etic approaches.
 
7.  Humans everywhere shape their beliefs and behaviors in response to fundamental human problems.
 
8. Explanation of human behavior is essentially one sided and incomplete unless it takes into account the biological, cultural, social psychological,geographical and historical information that surrounds that behavior.
  9.  There is no evidence of significant differences in abilities or intelligence among the people of the world.  We are all anatomically modern humans, of one species.
10.  No human biological characteristics are unaffected by lifeway and environment, and vice versa.
11.  Practically all significant differences of behavior among human populations are learned cultural patterns.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If items 4-8 are essential for anthropological understanding, our discussion to date has, I submit, failed to reach this standard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must admit that I am disappointed in oneman&#8217;s apparent disclination to engage the data to which I provided links. </p>
<p>There are some interesting thoughts in what oneman has had to say. I think, in particular, of the idea that what business increasingly wants from both customers and workers is rootless individuals. His last observation that popular culture focuses either on the path to &#8220;They lived happily ever after&#8221; or the dramas that arise when relationships fall apart but ignore mundane lives is also a line worth pursuing.</p>
<p>Just now, however, over on Anthro-L, Mike Pavik has posted a list of lessons from anthropology that he teaches in his introductory course.</p>
<blockquote><p>1. Culture is a Total Lifeway &#8211; not just a superficial set of customs.  It largely shapes how an individual feels, perceives and behaves.  It also shapes how an individual adapts to an environment.</p>
<p>  2. Every culture is a system &#8211; and a cultural system is an interconnected series of ideas and patterns for behavior in which changes in one aspect generally lead to changes in other segments of the system.<br />
3. Every human cultural system is logical and coherent in its own terms, given the basic assumptions and knowledge available to that society.</p>
<p>4.  The customs and beliefs of peoples are often more understandable by studying them in the terms of the social interrelations among types of individuals and groups &#8211; status and role in social action.<br />
5. The customs and beliefs of peoples are often more understandable if we examine them from individual psychological and cultural perspectives.</p>
<p>6.  Analysis of the implications ( or manifest functions ) of cultural behavior must take into account the explicit beliefs and intentions of the people involved; but analysis must also be made of the unnoticed, unintended further consequences  ( latent functions ) of particular actions and beliefs.  In anthropology, this is called the emic and etic approaches.</p>
<p>7.  Humans everywhere shape their beliefs and behaviors in response to fundamental human problems.</p>
<p>8. Explanation of human behavior is essentially one sided and incomplete unless it takes into account the biological, cultural, social psychological,geographical and historical information that surrounds that behavior.<br />
  9.  There is no evidence of significant differences in abilities or intelligence among the people of the world.  We are all anatomically modern humans, of one species.<br />
10.  No human biological characteristics are unaffected by lifeway and environment, and vice versa.<br />
11.  Practically all significant differences of behavior among human populations are learned cultural patterns.</p></blockquote>
<p>If items 4-8 are essential for anthropological understanding, our discussion to date has, I submit, failed to reach this standard.</p>
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		<title>By: oneman</title>
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		<dc:creator>oneman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jun 2006 20:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ariel,

1) I agree, and think I said something to that effect up there somewhere -- but the &quot;normal&quot; marriage still assumes the mle breadwinner and female tag-along.  Hardly anyone can afford to live like this, but a lot of the public discourse about marriage assumes that people should /want/ to live like this.  

2) I was thinking before that a good deal of pop culture, especially movies, that deals with marraige in some way comes in two &quot;flavors&quot;: those that end with a couple getting married, and those that start with a couple already married.  In the first, marriage is almost always a Good Thing, the end-all-be-all of human experience, the culmination of the protagonists lives.  In the second, marriage is almost always a limitation to be gotten over or around. Sometimes it&#039;s resolved with the marriage intact (e.g. _The Seven Year Itch_, _Casablanca_) and sometimes with a divorce (e.g. _Kramer vs. Kramer_).  Some movies integrate all three (e.g. _City SLickers_, where at the end one character seems set to be married, another manages to escape from a horrible marriage, and the third re-embraces marriage.  

I would say that the vast bulk of romantic comedies, as well as pop music, chick lit, etc., falls into the first category, but this is not so much about marriage per se as it is about courting and dating and essentially consumption.  The protagonist &quot;gets&quot; the pretty girl, or the hunky guy.  They don&#039;t even have to marry -- marriage is just a good way for popular culture to say &quot;and they lived happily ever after&quot;.  

While I agree that a good part of consumption is about making us appear more attractive, I would suggest that it does so in a way that is fundamentally opposed to the requirements of a lasting marriage.  Look at those romantic comedies again: if the hero is going to get cold feet, it&#039;s almost always going to be because he cannot imagine spending the rest of his life sleeping with the same woman.  Of course, he might substitute other consumer goods in explaining this fear, most likely Corn Flakes (and oh how the marketing folks at Kellogg&#039;s must love that particular brand identity!).  As I said above, a big part of consumerism in our society is /not/ having to live with consequences -- you just change brands.  But marriage strikes me as a choice with major consequences, and a commitment to living with those consequences &quot;for better or worse&quot;. This aspect almost never comes up in popular culture -- I very much doubt we&#039;ll see a 4th /American Pie/ movie called /American Divorce/ or /American She-Got-Fat-and-He-Slept-with-Their-Babysitter-and-Now-They&#039;re-Locked-in-a-Cold-Loveless-Marriage-Neither-of-Them-Wants/.  And either one of those movies would be about a thousand times more likely than /American Day-to-Day-Life-of-a-Married-Couple/.  There&#039;s not a lot of movies about ordinary married couples just getting along -- nor many pop songs, or novels, or other pop culture.  That doesn&#039;t mean that there&#039;s not much &quot;just getting along&quot; out there, but that it doesn&#039;t fit well in the kind of consumerism that pop culture largely caters to and relies on.</description>
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<p>1) I agree, and think I said something to that effect up there somewhere &#8212; but the &#8220;normal&#8221; marriage still assumes the mle breadwinner and female tag-along.  Hardly anyone can afford to live like this, but a lot of the public discourse about marriage assumes that people should /want/ to live like this.  </p>
<p>2) I was thinking before that a good deal of pop culture, especially movies, that deals with marraige in some way comes in two &#8220;flavors&#8221;: those that end with a couple getting married, and those that start with a couple already married.  In the first, marriage is almost always a Good Thing, the end-all-be-all of human experience, the culmination of the protagonists lives.  In the second, marriage is almost always a limitation to be gotten over or around. Sometimes it&#8217;s resolved with the marriage intact (e.g. _The Seven Year Itch_, _Casablanca_) and sometimes with a divorce (e.g. _Kramer vs. Kramer_).  Some movies integrate all three (e.g. _City SLickers_, where at the end one character seems set to be married, another manages to escape from a horrible marriage, and the third re-embraces marriage.  </p>
<p>I would say that the vast bulk of romantic comedies, as well as pop music, chick lit, etc., falls into the first category, but this is not so much about marriage per se as it is about courting and dating and essentially consumption.  The protagonist &#8220;gets&#8221; the pretty girl, or the hunky guy.  They don&#8217;t even have to marry &#8212; marriage is just a good way for popular culture to say &#8220;and they lived happily ever after&#8221;.  </p>
<p>While I agree that a good part of consumption is about making us appear more attractive, I would suggest that it does so in a way that is fundamentally opposed to the requirements of a lasting marriage.  Look at those romantic comedies again: if the hero is going to get cold feet, it&#8217;s almost always going to be because he cannot imagine spending the rest of his life sleeping with the same woman.  Of course, he might substitute other consumer goods in explaining this fear, most likely Corn Flakes (and oh how the marketing folks at Kellogg&#8217;s must love that particular brand identity!).  As I said above, a big part of consumerism in our society is /not/ having to live with consequences &#8212; you just change brands.  But marriage strikes me as a choice with major consequences, and a commitment to living with those consequences &#8220;for better or worse&#8221;. This aspect almost never comes up in popular culture &#8212; I very much doubt we&#8217;ll see a 4th /American Pie/ movie called /American Divorce/ or /American She-Got-Fat-and-He-Slept-with-Their-Babysitter-and-Now-They&#8217;re-Locked-in-a-Cold-Loveless-Marriage-Neither-of-Them-Wants/.  And either one of those movies would be about a thousand times more likely than /American Day-to-Day-Life-of-a-Married-Couple/.  There&#8217;s not a lot of movies about ordinary married couples just getting along &#8212; nor many pop songs, or novels, or other pop culture.  That doesn&#8217;t mean that there&#8217;s not much &#8220;just getting along&#8221; out there, but that it doesn&#8217;t fit well in the kind of consumerism that pop culture largely caters to and relies on.</p>
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