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		<title>By: John McCreery</title>
		<link>http://savageminds.org/2006/03/16/when-was-structure-functionalism/comment-page-1/#comment-4311</link>
		<dc:creator>John McCreery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Mar 2006 08:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Philosophically speaking I agree completely. But my concern is less philosopical than pragmatic. You go into the field. Where do you start? The structural-functional paradigm was pretty straightforward: Start with maps, hut diagrams, a census, genealogies. Describe the statuses and roles involved in local politics. The result is the skeleton on which you hang the rest of your analysis. 

In Puli, the market town where I did my fieldwork, that would have meant trying to sort out the relationships of 35,000 people, plus as many more in the surrounding countryside. And most of these people lived behind brick walls or spent a good deal of time in buses and taxis traveling here and there. The practical result was that any references to &quot;Chinese social structure&quot; were to theoretical constructs developed by reading about the subject in mostly secondary sources, or asking local folks who mostly replied in terms of idealized notions instead of specific cases.  It wasn&#039;t the kind of immediate, solid grounding that Vic Turner&#039;s understanding of Ndembu social life in the villages he studied brought to his analyses of particular ritual events. 

So I find myself wondering, what does a Boasian/Weberian try to find out first. Then, where does he go from there? How do you translate that theoretical stance into a practical program if all you have is at most a year or two to learn enough to say something valuable?</description>
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<p>In Puli, the market town where I did my fieldwork, that would have meant trying to sort out the relationships of 35,000 people, plus as many more in the surrounding countryside. And most of these people lived behind brick walls or spent a good deal of time in buses and taxis traveling here and there. The practical result was that any references to &#8220;Chinese social structure&#8221; were to theoretical constructs developed by reading about the subject in mostly secondary sources, or asking local folks who mostly replied in terms of idealized notions instead of specific cases.  It wasn&#8217;t the kind of immediate, solid grounding that Vic Turner&#8217;s understanding of Ndembu social life in the villages he studied brought to his analyses of particular ritual events. </p>
<p>So I find myself wondering, what does a Boasian/Weberian try to find out first. Then, where does he go from there? How do you translate that theoretical stance into a practical program if all you have is at most a year or two to learn enough to say something valuable?
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		<title>By: Rex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Mar 2006 07:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah. The problem isn&#039;t figuring out what &quot;Boasian/Weberian&quot; means -- I have a strong gut feeling about that. What is hard is how to explain it to other people. 

For instance, I think the idea that you &quot;understand the local social structure and then interpret other phenomena in relation to that context&quot; is pretty vague -- it describes huge swaths of social science, from new institutional economics to Durkheim. To be classical &#039;structure functional&#039; you&#039;d have to add several additional features: the existence of externally bounded, homeostatic social systems as natural kinds, analyzing ritual etc. as epiphenomenal of social structure, a lack of attention to history, etc. etc. 

The problem is specifying how you saturate a general approach of &#039;see things in light of their general social context&#039; with a particular analytic, and explaining that in the case of a Boas/Weber hookup is the hard bit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah. The problem isn&#8217;t figuring out what &#8220;Boasian/Weberian&#8221; means &#8212; I have a strong gut feeling about that. What is hard is how to explain it to other people. </p>
<p>For instance, I think the idea that you &#8220;understand the local social structure and then interpret other phenomena in relation to that context&#8221; is pretty vague &#8212; it describes huge swaths of social science, from new institutional economics to Durkheim. To be classical &#8216;structure functional&#8217; you&#8217;d have to add several additional features: the existence of externally bounded, homeostatic social systems as natural kinds, analyzing ritual etc. as epiphenomenal of social structure, a lack of attention to history, etc. etc. </p>
<p>The problem is specifying how you saturate a general approach of &#8216;see things in light of their general social context&#8217; with a particular analytic, and explaining that in the case of a Boas/Weber hookup is the hard bit.
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		<title>By: Comet Jo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Comet Jo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Mar 2006 04:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As the other person who endorsed the label, I&#039;m thinking about it too--it a hard but very good question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As the other person who endorsed the label, I&#8217;m thinking about it too&#8211;it a hard but very good question.
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		<title>By: John McCreery</title>
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		<dc:creator>John McCreery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Mar 2006 05:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Rex. Let me add here that this is not a rhetorical question for me. My training in mostly British style social anthropology had left me a believer in the elements of the structural-functionalist paradigm I&#039;ve mentioned above, i.e., start by understanding local social structure and then interpret other phenomena, rituals, folklore, fashion, whatever, in relation to that context. Thanks to a deep immersion in Manchester School studies by Gluckman, Turner, etc., my notion of social structure was more dynamic, more process oriented, than the static institutions described by Radcliffe-Brown; but the implications for fieldwork remained much the same. When I went off to do my fieldwork in Taiwan, the usual project was still a village or neighborhood study.  The major alternative was studies based on the spatial analysis of regional systems pioneered by G. William Skinner. Neither was a good fit with what I actually wound up doing—becoming a disciple of a Taoist healer and traveling with him all over central and northern Taiwan to watch him perform rituals. The model to which I turned was linguistics, where a linguist can base a grammar on a set of hundreds of utterances collected from a single informant, with results cross-checked with other informants. My thesis became, in effect, a syntatic analysis of the healer&#039;s ritual repertoire; but like a linguist&#039;s grammar, it was analytically divorced from the specific social contexts in which the rites were performed and, thus, a departure from the structural-functionalist paradigm in which I had been trained. Having made the choices that lead to my writing the thesis I did left me with an abiding interest in the relationship between theoretical ideas and the research paradigms they imply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Rex. Let me add here that this is not a rhetorical question for me. My training in mostly British style social anthropology had left me a believer in the elements of the structural-functionalist paradigm I&#8217;ve mentioned above, i.e., start by understanding local social structure and then interpret other phenomena, rituals, folklore, fashion, whatever, in relation to that context. Thanks to a deep immersion in Manchester School studies by Gluckman, Turner, etc., my notion of social structure was more dynamic, more process oriented, than the static institutions described by Radcliffe-Brown; but the implications for fieldwork remained much the same. When I went off to do my fieldwork in Taiwan, the usual project was still a village or neighborhood study.  The major alternative was studies based on the spatial analysis of regional systems pioneered by G. William Skinner. Neither was a good fit with what I actually wound up doing—becoming a disciple of a Taoist healer and traveling with him all over central and northern Taiwan to watch him perform rituals. The model to which I turned was linguistics, where a linguist can base a grammar on a set of hundreds of utterances collected from a single informant, with results cross-checked with other informants. My thesis became, in effect, a syntatic analysis of the healer&#8217;s ritual repertoire; but like a linguist&#8217;s grammar, it was analytically divorced from the specific social contexts in which the rites were performed and, thus, a departure from the structural-functionalist paradigm in which I had been trained. Having made the choices that lead to my writing the thesis I did left me with an abiding interest in the relationship between theoretical ideas and the research paradigms they imply.
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		<title>By: Rex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Mar 2006 20:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John --

I&#039;m thinking about it. Let me get back to you.</description>
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<p>I&#8217;m thinking about it. Let me get back to you.
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		<title>By: John McCreery</title>
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		<dc:creator>John McCreery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Mar 2006 04:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rex,

I&#039;m curious about what you mean when you describe yourself as Boasian but in a Weberian kind of way. 

For better or worse, structural-functionalism as described by Radcliffe-Brown had an explicit program: Step 1 was to analyze social structure, Step 2 to understand how something else, rituals, say, or conventional sentiments related to social structure. There was also the assumption that research conducted in this manner would contribute to a science, conceived in a classic positivist manner as a body of generalizations both empirically grounded and logically connected—generalizations that would transcend any particular case. 

The example that always comes to my mind is &quot;The Mother&#039;s Brother in South Africa.&quot; Here the generalization that in a patrilineal society with virilocal marriage the mother&#039;s brother can be expected to have a special relationship to his sister&#039;s children was derived from South African data but supposed to apply more widely, even outside of Africa. I remember this vividly because it led me to notice that in Taiwan, the mother&#039;s brother both has a special role to play in his sister&#039;s wedding and a distinctive ongoing relationship to his sister&#039;s kids. Noticing this gave me an answer when a Maryknoll missionary who had asked me what anthropologists with only a year or two of fieldwork could possibly teach him, who had been in Taiwan for fifteen years and spoke Taiwanese fluently. A hah, I thought, there is some point to all that stuff I read in graduate school. 

It may have been true that after a while, structural-functionalist anthropology came to suffer from what Evans-Pritchard labeled &quot;the dead hand of competence.&quot; The umpty-leventh description of lineage organization didn&#039;t have the pizzazz of the first. But there was something solid there. 

But, I have to confess, when I read &quot;Boasian in a kind of Weberian way,&quot; I don&#039;t know what that is. I can only imagine that it has something to do with piling up lots of ethnography about particular peoples and trying, in each separate case to come up with some ideal types, conceived as mental models, to account for the observations. Is this anywhere close to what you have in mind?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rex,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m curious about what you mean when you describe yourself as Boasian but in a Weberian kind of way. </p>
<p>For better or worse, structural-functionalism as described by Radcliffe-Brown had an explicit program: Step 1 was to analyze social structure, Step 2 to understand how something else, rituals, say, or conventional sentiments related to social structure. There was also the assumption that research conducted in this manner would contribute to a science, conceived in a classic positivist manner as a body of generalizations both empirically grounded and logically connected—generalizations that would transcend any particular case. </p>
<p>The example that always comes to my mind is &#8220;The Mother&#8217;s Brother in South Africa.&#8221; Here the generalization that in a patrilineal society with virilocal marriage the mother&#8217;s brother can be expected to have a special relationship to his sister&#8217;s children was derived from South African data but supposed to apply more widely, even outside of Africa. I remember this vividly because it led me to notice that in Taiwan, the mother&#8217;s brother both has a special role to play in his sister&#8217;s wedding and a distinctive ongoing relationship to his sister&#8217;s kids. Noticing this gave me an answer when a Maryknoll missionary who had asked me what anthropologists with only a year or two of fieldwork could possibly teach him, who had been in Taiwan for fifteen years and spoke Taiwanese fluently. A hah, I thought, there is some point to all that stuff I read in graduate school. </p>
<p>It may have been true that after a while, structural-functionalist anthropology came to suffer from what Evans-Pritchard labeled &#8220;the dead hand of competence.&#8221; The umpty-leventh description of lineage organization didn&#8217;t have the pizzazz of the first. But there was something solid there. </p>
<p>But, I have to confess, when I read &#8220;Boasian in a kind of Weberian way,&#8221; I don&#8217;t know what that is. I can only imagine that it has something to do with piling up lots of ethnography about particular peoples and trying, in each separate case to come up with some ideal types, conceived as mental models, to account for the observations. Is this anywhere close to what you have in mind?
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		<title>By: Nancy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nancy</dc:creator>
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		<description>It&#039;s always funny to me to hear things about labelling oneself within a particular theoretical stream. At Concordia, even at the graduate level, I never felt any push to identify strongly with any particular theoretical &quot;genre&quot;. We were actually encouraged to be ecclectic. There was, admittedly, a strong feminist/PoMo influence when I was there but not to the extreme of rejecting all other modes of anthro-thought. It was seen as quite productive to create our own unique blends.

So there you go: to this day, I don&#039;t adhere to any particular theoretical stream, although I do identify as somewhat PoMo (yeah, yeah, laugh it up) and feminist with some quite pronounced disposition toward ecclecticity (is that a word???). In terms of methods, though, I strongly identify with radical participation/experiential anthropology. Of course, there is a whole theoretical approach that is intrinsic to that but it&#039;s not exclusive of others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s always funny to me to hear things about labelling oneself within a particular theoretical stream. At Concordia, even at the graduate level, I never felt any push to identify strongly with any particular theoretical &#8220;genre&#8221;. We were actually encouraged to be ecclectic. There was, admittedly, a strong feminist/PoMo influence when I was there but not to the extreme of rejecting all other modes of anthro-thought. It was seen as quite productive to create our own unique blends.</p>
<p>So there you go: to this day, I don&#8217;t adhere to any particular theoretical stream, although I do identify as somewhat PoMo (yeah, yeah, laugh it up) and feminist with some quite pronounced disposition toward ecclecticity (is that a word???). In terms of methods, though, I strongly identify with radical participation/experiential anthropology. Of course, there is a whole theoretical approach that is intrinsic to that but it&#8217;s not exclusive of others.
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		<title>By: Rex</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Mar 2006 19:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I think most people are &quot;Boasian in a Weberian kind of way&quot; but we don&#039;t have the same self-consciusness of this being an available label as we do structure-functionalism. Or perhaps I&#039;m wrong. Do people have a sense of what it means to be strongly &#039;Boasian&#039; and do they describe themselves this way?

The strcuk-fcuk tshirts MUST happen. 

As for recycled structure-functionalism, I whole-heartedly agree. Witchcraft is a good case in point: it used to be it was caused by &#039;social structure&#039; but &quot;now we know it&#039;s caused by &#039;Modernity&#039; but don&#039;t worry this isn&#039;t a structure functional explanation because we use the word &#039;dialectic&#039; a lot when describing it.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I think most people are &#8220;Boasian in a Weberian kind of way&#8221; but we don&#8217;t have the same self-consciusness of this being an available label as we do structure-functionalism. Or perhaps I&#8217;m wrong. Do people have a sense of what it means to be strongly &#8216;Boasian&#8217; and do they describe themselves this way?</p>
<p>The strcuk-fcuk tshirts MUST happen. </p>
<p>As for recycled structure-functionalism, I whole-heartedly agree. Witchcraft is a good case in point: it used to be it was caused by &#8216;social structure&#8217; but &#8220;now we know it&#8217;s caused by &#8216;Modernity&#8217; but don&#8217;t worry this isn&#8217;t a structure functional explanation because we use the word &#8216;dialectic&#8217; a lot when describing it.&#8221;
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		<title>By: Comet Jo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Comet Jo</dc:creator>
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		<description>I dunno Rex, I think I&#039;d be happier describing myself as &quot;basically Boasian but in a Weberian kind of way&quot; than as any kind of functionalist.  But as for structural functionalism, what strikes me is not so much the persistance of the label (especially as self-description) but the persistance of the practice, post la lettre: and the reasons for that stike me as being as much cultural as anything else.  Now, it is true, that in talking aof the persistance of the practice I am speaking loosely, taking as structural-functionalist all that work that accounts for cultural phenomena by their role in preserving the exisiting social structure--in that loose sense, both some parts of Foucault and much contemporary anthrropolgical Marxism show affinities to &quot;strcuk-fcuk&quot; (alert--T-Shirt idea!).  I think that this reflects things like a sense that the world is shaped by human self interest, a sense that the material is more real (or more efficacious) than the symbolic, and a discomfort with the idea that contingency plays a large role in history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dunno Rex, I think I&#8217;d be happier describing myself as &#8220;basically Boasian but in a Weberian kind of way&#8221; than as any kind of functionalist.  But as for structural functionalism, what strikes me is not so much the persistance of the label (especially as self-description) but the persistance of the practice, post la lettre: and the reasons for that stike me as being as much cultural as anything else.  Now, it is true, that in talking aof the persistance of the practice I am speaking loosely, taking as structural-functionalist all that work that accounts for cultural phenomena by their role in preserving the exisiting social structure&#8211;in that loose sense, both some parts of Foucault and much contemporary anthrropolgical Marxism show affinities to &#8220;strcuk-fcuk&#8221; (alert&#8211;T-Shirt idea!).  I think that this reflects things like a sense that the world is shaped by human self interest, a sense that the material is more real (or more efficacious) than the symbolic, and a discomfort with the idea that contingency plays a large role in history.
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		<dc:creator>Rex</dc:creator>
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		<description>What I think is so interesting here is that while we all know at some level that &#039;structure-functionalism&#039; is not a label with tons of analytic power, we all still use it -- even if only to say things like &quot;kinda structure functionalist, but really more intellectualist.&quot; But I rarely hear people say &quot;I&#039;m a Boasian&quot; or &quot;basically a Boasian, but in a Weberian way.&quot; In the post I suggested this was because of the enduring power of programmatic statements by people like R-B. But the more I think about it, I think it has to with the popularity of Kuper&#039;s _Anthropology and Anthropologists: The Modern British School_. We don&#039;t have a similarly potted history of US anthros -- Darnell&#039;s _Invisible Genealogies_ attempts this, but is too formally written and (in my opinion) too nuanced to serve as a bible for theory newbies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I think is so interesting here is that while we all know at some level that &#8216;structure-functionalism&#8217; is not a label with tons of analytic power, we all still use it &#8212; even if only to say things like &#8220;kinda structure functionalist, but really more intellectualist.&#8221; But I rarely hear people say &#8220;I&#8217;m a Boasian&#8221; or &#8220;basically a Boasian, but in a Weberian way.&#8221; In the post I suggested this was because of the enduring power of programmatic statements by people like R-B. But the more I think about it, I think it has to with the popularity of Kuper&#8217;s _Anthropology and Anthropologists: The Modern British School_. We don&#8217;t have a similarly potted history of US anthros &#8212; Darnell&#8217;s _Invisible Genealogies_ attempts this, but is too formally written and (in my opinion) too nuanced to serve as a bible for theory newbies.
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		<description>Thanks, John.  The granary example rings a bell or two. To be fair to Appiah, he&#039;s talking about the bit where Evans-Pritchard questions whether he believes he sees a witch.  (I don&#039;t have the text handy to see if Appiah&#039;s reading is accurate, but I&#039;m assuming that it is.)  If that bit doesn&#039;t make it into lesson plans, would that be a matter of radically different cosmologies?  Of course I&#039;m kidding.  It&#039;s hardly out of bounds to ask about why Evans-Pritchard chose the examples he did, or why different readings emphasize different passages.  In most cases I&#039;m sure the granary example is most appropriate for study in an anthropology classroom.  But if after many years, or coming from a different angle, one merely takes away that Azande people are no less intelligent than the people one knows, or Appiah&#039;s more refined point that people reason based on what they already know, which is largely given to them by the cultural world they grew up in, I wouldn&#039;t think that would be objectionable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, John.  The granary example rings a bell or two. To be fair to Appiah, he&#8217;s talking about the bit where Evans-Pritchard questions whether he believes he sees a witch.  (I don&#8217;t have the text handy to see if Appiah&#8217;s reading is accurate, but I&#8217;m assuming that it is.)  If that bit doesn&#8217;t make it into lesson plans, would that be a matter of radically different cosmologies?  Of course I&#8217;m kidding.  It&#8217;s hardly out of bounds to ask about why Evans-Pritchard chose the examples he did, or why different readings emphasize different passages.  In most cases I&#8217;m sure the granary example is most appropriate for study in an anthropology classroom.  But if after many years, or coming from a different angle, one merely takes away that Azande people are no less intelligent than the people one knows, or Appiah&#8217;s more refined point that people reason based on what they already know, which is largely given to them by the cultural world they grew up in, I wouldn&#8217;t think that would be objectionable.
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		<title>By: John McCreery</title>
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		<dc:creator>John McCreery</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; “what he was teaching us was that what you see depends on what you believe, What it’s reasonable for you to think, faced with a particular experience, depends on what ideas you already have”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Sounds a bit off to me. The way I learned it, E-P pointed out that the questions the oracle answered were different from those that a scientist would ask. The scientist and the Azande could agree on the how of an event (The termites chewed up the granary&#039;s leg, which collapsed causing the granary to fall on X). The Azande, however, also wanted to know, &quot;Why X? Why at this particular moment?&quot; The answer was witchcraft.  Given similar questions, a strict Calvinist might say Predestination, a Chinese Taoist healer, like the one I studied with in Taiwan might assert that, given astrological significance of X&#039;s birthdate, his being in that time and place was offensive to the God of the Year. 

One might argue that science is science precisely because it rules such questions out of bounds and radically simplifies the list of possible questions to include only those answerable by focusing on the how instead of the why, the area in which individuals with radically different cosmologies can still find common ground.</description>
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<p>Sounds a bit off to me. The way I learned it, E-P pointed out that the questions the oracle answered were different from those that a scientist would ask. The scientist and the Azande could agree on the how of an event (The termites chewed up the granary&#8217;s leg, which collapsed causing the granary to fall on X). The Azande, however, also wanted to know, &#8220;Why X? Why at this particular moment?&#8221; The answer was witchcraft.  Given similar questions, a strict Calvinist might say Predestination, a Chinese Taoist healer, like the one I studied with in Taiwan might assert that, given astrological significance of X&#8217;s birthdate, his being in that time and place was offensive to the God of the Year. </p>
<p>One might argue that science is science precisely because it rules such questions out of bounds and radically simplifies the list of possible questions to include only those answerable by focusing on the how instead of the why, the area in which individuals with radically different cosmologies can still find common ground.
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		<title>By: Fido the Yak</title>
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		<description>Kwame Anthony Appiah writes of a passage in &lt;i&gt;Oracles&lt;/i&gt;, &quot;what he was teaching us was that what you see depends on what you believe,  What it&#039;s reasonable for you to think, faced with a particular experience, depends on what ideas you already have&quot; (&lt;i&gt;Cosmopolitanism&lt;/i&gt;, p.39).  Now that sounds like something Boas would teach.  Is it a wrong lesson to draw from Evans-Pritchard?  I seem to recall being taught something similar about &lt;i&gt;Oracles&lt;/i&gt;, but its been many, many moons.

Regarding your urgent question, go ahead and distinguish between Evans-Pritchards the structuralist and the structural-functionalists.  Look at Evans-Pritchards&#039; students.  Who is more of a student of Evans-Pritchard, Max Gluckman or Mary Douglas?  I don&#039;t think there&#039;s any single right way of looking at it.  I&#039;m sure Monica Wilson knows what she&#039;s talking about.  There&#039;s a lot to be said your viewpoint as well.  I don&#039;t think a terminus post quem will reconcile the two perspectives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kwame Anthony Appiah writes of a passage in <i>Oracles</i>, &#8220;what he was teaching us was that what you see depends on what you believe,  What it&#8217;s reasonable for you to think, faced with a particular experience, depends on what ideas you already have&#8221; (<i>Cosmopolitanism</i>, p.39).  Now that sounds like something Boas would teach.  Is it a wrong lesson to draw from Evans-Pritchard?  I seem to recall being taught something similar about <i>Oracles</i>, but its been many, many moons.</p>
<p>Regarding your urgent question, go ahead and distinguish between Evans-Pritchards the structuralist and the structural-functionalists.  Look at Evans-Pritchards&#8217; students.  Who is more of a student of Evans-Pritchard, Max Gluckman or Mary Douglas?  I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s any single right way of looking at it.  I&#8217;m sure Monica Wilson knows what she&#8217;s talking about.  There&#8217;s a lot to be said your viewpoint as well.  I don&#8217;t think a terminus post quem will reconcile the two perspectives.
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		<title>By: John McCreery</title>
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		<description>Googling &quot;Radcliffe-Brown Confucius&quot; I stumbled upon one of my own posts to Anthro-L.

&lt;blockquote&gt;The curmudgeon (who used to teach courses on Religion, Myth, and Ritual Symbolism) speaks:

A good argument can be made that the strong tendency in even social scientific descriptions of religion to privilege belief and to treat belief as the cause of religious behavior is an artifact of the Protestant reformation, which radically de-emphasized the communal and institutional context of ritual in favor of a one-on-one relationship between the Believer and his or her monotheistic God in which Faith is the key operator.

There are, however, alternatives. In the Analects, Confucius says, for example, that a gentleman participates in ritual &quot;as if the spirits were there&quot; but does not concern himself with whether or not they actually exist. He is, then, a progenitor of the functionalist school whose Western lineage runs from Robertson Smith (Religion of the Semites) through Durkheim (The Elementary Forms) to Radcliffe-Brown and Guy Swanson, in which ritual behavior is seen as primary and belief as
a (much distorted) reflection of what is done ritually instead of being its cause. (Radcliffe-Brown, by the way, explicitly mentions Confucius.)

More nuanced views see belief and behavior as systemically or dialectically related, with one feeding off the other and influence moving in both directions.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Googling &#8220;Radcliffe-Brown Confucius&#8221; I stumbled upon one of my own posts to Anthro-L.</p>
<blockquote><p>The curmudgeon (who used to teach courses on Religion, Myth, and Ritual Symbolism) speaks:</p>
<p>A good argument can be made that the strong tendency in even social scientific descriptions of religion to privilege belief and to treat belief as the cause of religious behavior is an artifact of the Protestant reformation, which radically de-emphasized the communal and institutional context of ritual in favor of a one-on-one relationship between the Believer and his or her monotheistic God in which Faith is the key operator.</p>
<p>There are, however, alternatives. In the Analects, Confucius says, for example, that a gentleman participates in ritual &#8220;as if the spirits were there&#8221; but does not concern himself with whether or not they actually exist. He is, then, a progenitor of the functionalist school whose Western lineage runs from Robertson Smith (Religion of the Semites) through Durkheim (The Elementary Forms) to Radcliffe-Brown and Guy Swanson, in which ritual behavior is seen as primary and belief as<br />
a (much distorted) reflection of what is done ritually instead of being its cause. (Radcliffe-Brown, by the way, explicitly mentions Confucius.)</p>
<p>More nuanced views see belief and behavior as systemically or dialectically related, with one feeding off the other and influence moving in both directions.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: John McCreery</title>
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		<dc:creator>John McCreery</dc:creator>
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		<description>Since it has been a long time since I thought about these issues I did a Google search for &quot;Anthropology intellectualist approaches&quot; that took me to an article by &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.qub.ac.uk/icc/archive/sorensen.transformations.01.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jesper Sorenson&lt;/a&gt;, who, writing from a British perspective and reviewing traditional approaches to the anthropological study of ritual, draws a distinction between two basic schools: intellectualist and symbolist described as follows:

&lt;blockquote&gt;The intellectualist approach understands ritual as a type of rational behaviour based on explanatory principles that formally, if not substantially, are indistinguishable from those of Western science. To put it crudely, the intellectualist approach does not distinguish the behaviour of ‘planting’ from that of ‘chanting’ if both are backed by explanatory theories arguing for their necessity in some practical endeavour, in this case agriculture. Both are seen as rational instrumental or technical actions in relation to a theoretical background. They are ‘rational’ as the behaviour can be explained and defended from the theory underlying it. Thus, magical practices in socalled primitive societies are not irrational and nonsensical, but are merely based on flawed theoretical premises.1
In contrast to the intellectualist position, the symbolist approach does not accept that ritual should be seen as instrumental actions based on theoretical presumptions about the world. There is no direct causal connection between underlying beliefs and ritual actions, and ‘chanting’ should not be understood as motivated by the same type beliefs about the world as is the case with ‘planting’. Rituals should instead be understood as expressive behaviour that communicates certain meanings, notably about social structure, coded in symbolic language. Thus, the job of the observer is to acquire the interpretational ‘key’ necessary in order to decipher the message inherent in this apparently irrational or wrong action.2 &lt;/blockquote&gt;

In his footnotes, Sorenson provides the following examples.

 &lt;blockquote&gt;1 Representatives of the intellectualist approaches to ritual and religion are E. B. Tylor, Primitive Culture: Researches into the Development of Mythology, Philosophy, Religion, Art, and Custom
 London: John Murray, 1871); J. G. Frazer, The Golden Bough: A Study in Magic and Religion, 3rd edn, 13 vols (London: MacMillan Press Ltd., 1911–15), I: The Magic Art and the Evolution of Kings (2 vols); I. C. Jarvie and J. Agassi, ‘The Problem of the Rationality of Magic’, in British Journal of Sociology, 19 (1967), 55–74; J. Agassi and I. C. Jarvie, ‘Magic and Rationality Again’, British
Journal of Sociology, 24 (1973), 236–45; R. Horton, ‘African traditional thought and Western science’, in Rationality, ed. by B. Wilson (Oxford: Blackwell Publications, 1970), pp. 131–71; J. Skorupski, Symbol and Theory: A Philosophical Study of Theories of Religion in Social Anthropology (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1976).
2 Representatives of the symbolist approach to ritual and religion are M. Mauss, A General Theory of Magic, trans. by Robert Brain (London: Routledge &amp; Kegan Paul, 1972; 1st edn (French) 1902–3); E. Durkheim, The Elementary Forms of the Religious Life, trans. by Joseph Ward Swain (New York: Free Press, 1965; 1st edn (French) 1915); J. Beattie, Other Cultures (London: Cohen &amp; West). &lt;/blockquote&gt;

I was reminded, while scanning Sorenson&#039;s article, of Evans-Pritchard&#039;s own &lt;i&gt;Theories of Primitive Religion&lt;/i&gt; in which E-P identifies three types of theories: intellectualist (attributed to Tylor and Frazer and said to be composed of &quot;If I were a horse&quot; stories), structural functionalist (attributed to Radcliffe-Brown, in which function is related to social structure) and psychological (attributed to Malinowski, in which function is related to psychological, primarily emotional, needs). 

All this is, of course, a highly British perspective, which excludes from the category &quot;theory&quot; the writings of American anthropologists, which were, at the time that structural functionalism was flourishing, largely written off as examples of atheoretical &quot;threads and patches&quot; description. 

That said, there is (speaking to Kerim) a substantial body of anthropology developing the structural-functional paradigm by incorporating into it the dynamics of social and psychological conflict theories rooted in Marx, Freud, and Simmel. I speak here of the Manchester school (Gluckman, V. Turner, etc.) and also of Mary Douglas&#039; work, especially &lt;i&gt;Natural Symbols&lt;/i&gt;.

In the framework provided by this understanding, MWO is seen as a step away from structural functionalism to the kind of intellectualist theory later exemplified by, for example, Robin Horton.

Hope this is helpful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since it has been a long time since I thought about these issues I did a Google search for &#8220;Anthropology intellectualist approaches&#8221; that took me to an article by <a href="http://www.qub.ac.uk/icc/archive/sorensen.transformations.01.pdf" rel="nofollow">Jesper Sorenson</a>, who, writing from a British perspective and reviewing traditional approaches to the anthropological study of ritual, draws a distinction between two basic schools: intellectualist and symbolist described as follows:</p>
<blockquote><p>The intellectualist approach understands ritual as a type of rational behaviour based on explanatory principles that formally, if not substantially, are indistinguishable from those of Western science. To put it crudely, the intellectualist approach does not distinguish the behaviour of ‘planting’ from that of ‘chanting’ if both are backed by explanatory theories arguing for their necessity in some practical endeavour, in this case agriculture. Both are seen as rational instrumental or technical actions in relation to a theoretical background. They are ‘rational’ as the behaviour can be explained and defended from the theory underlying it. Thus, magical practices in socalled primitive societies are not irrational and nonsensical, but are merely based on flawed theoretical premises.1<br />
In contrast to the intellectualist position, the symbolist approach does not accept that ritual should be seen as instrumental actions based on theoretical presumptions about the world. There is no direct causal connection between underlying beliefs and ritual actions, and ‘chanting’ should not be understood as motivated by the same type beliefs about the world as is the case with ‘planting’. Rituals should instead be understood as expressive behaviour that communicates certain meanings, notably about social structure, coded in symbolic language. Thus, the job of the observer is to acquire the interpretational ‘key’ necessary in order to decipher the message inherent in this apparently irrational or wrong action.2 </p></blockquote>
<p>In his footnotes, Sorenson provides the following examples.</p>
<blockquote><p>1 Representatives of the intellectualist approaches to ritual and religion are E. B. Tylor, Primitive Culture: Researches into the Development of Mythology, Philosophy, Religion, Art, and Custom<br />
 London: John Murray, 1871); J. G. Frazer, The Golden Bough: A Study in Magic and Religion, 3rd edn, 13 vols (London: MacMillan Press Ltd., 1911–15), I: The Magic Art and the Evolution of Kings (2 vols); I. C. Jarvie and J. Agassi, ‘The Problem of the Rationality of Magic’, in British Journal of Sociology, 19 (1967), 55–74; J. Agassi and I. C. Jarvie, ‘Magic and Rationality Again’, British<br />
Journal of Sociology, 24 (1973), 236–45; R. Horton, ‘African traditional thought and Western science’, in Rationality, ed. by B. Wilson (Oxford: Blackwell Publications, 1970), pp. 131–71; J. Skorupski, Symbol and Theory: A Philosophical Study of Theories of Religion in Social Anthropology (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1976).<br />
2 Representatives of the symbolist approach to ritual and religion are M. Mauss, A General Theory of Magic, trans. by Robert Brain (London: Routledge &amp; Kegan Paul, 1972; 1st edn (French) 1902–3); E. Durkheim, The Elementary Forms of the Religious Life, trans. by Joseph Ward Swain (New York: Free Press, 1965; 1st edn (French) 1915); J. Beattie, Other Cultures (London: Cohen &amp; West). </p></blockquote>
<p>I was reminded, while scanning Sorenson&#8217;s article, of Evans-Pritchard&#8217;s own <i>Theories of Primitive Religion</i> in which E-P identifies three types of theories: intellectualist (attributed to Tylor and Frazer and said to be composed of &#8220;If I were a horse&#8221; stories), structural functionalist (attributed to Radcliffe-Brown, in which function is related to social structure) and psychological (attributed to Malinowski, in which function is related to psychological, primarily emotional, needs). </p>
<p>All this is, of course, a highly British perspective, which excludes from the category &#8220;theory&#8221; the writings of American anthropologists, which were, at the time that structural functionalism was flourishing, largely written off as examples of atheoretical &#8220;threads and patches&#8221; description. </p>
<p>That said, there is (speaking to Kerim) a substantial body of anthropology developing the structural-functional paradigm by incorporating into it the dynamics of social and psychological conflict theories rooted in Marx, Freud, and Simmel. I speak here of the Manchester school (Gluckman, V. Turner, etc.) and also of Mary Douglas&#8217; work, especially <i>Natural Symbols</i>.</p>
<p>In the framework provided by this understanding, MWO is seen as a step away from structural functionalism to the kind of intellectualist theory later exemplified by, for example, Robin Horton.</p>
<p>Hope this is helpful.
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