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		<title>By: Alexander Suárez</title>
		<link>http://savageminds.org/2006/01/13/is-digital-publishing-bad-business-for-the-aaa/comment-page-1/#comment-76326</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexander Suárez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 18:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Which is the way of publishing an article about iberoamerican anthropology:&#039;Marian cults in Spain and Iberoamerica as a feature of identity and religiosity between both sociocultural realities implied&#039;. 
The work has been made by a group of lecturers from the universities of Salamanca (Spain)and Pernambuco (Brasil).
Thanks for your information. 
 
Castilla y León Anthropological reaserches institute
www.usal.es/iiacyl
Spain</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which is the way of publishing an article about iberoamerican anthropology:&#8217;Marian cults in Spain and Iberoamerica as a feature of identity and religiosity between both sociocultural realities implied&#8217;.<br />
The work has been made by a group of lecturers from the universities of Salamanca (Spain)and Pernambuco (Brasil).<br />
Thanks for your information. </p>
<p>Castilla y León Anthropological reaserches institute<br />
<a href="http://www.usal.es/iiacyl" rel="nofollow">http://www.usal.es/iiacyl</a><br />
Spain</p>
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		<title>By: Sara Jo</title>
		<link>http://savageminds.org/2006/01/13/is-digital-publishing-bad-business-for-the-aaa/comment-page-1/#comment-74520</link>
		<dc:creator>Sara Jo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 19:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How much does an average anthropologist get on each paycheck? I need to know because i&#039;m doing a report in school. And without that information i&#039;ll get an f!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How much does an average anthropologist get on each paycheck? I need to know because i&#8217;m doing a report in school. And without that information i&#8217;ll get an f!</p>
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		<title>By: Anthropology.net</title>
		<link>http://savageminds.org/2006/01/13/is-digital-publishing-bad-business-for-the-aaa/comment-page-1/#comment-33462</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthropology.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Oct 2006 16:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;AnthroSource Steering Committee dissents from the AAA and endorses FRPAA...&lt;/strong&gt;

On June 12th this year all hell broke loose when the American Anthropological Association (AAA) decided to oppose the FRPAA (Federal Research Public Access Act). It generated lots of fervor amongs the blogosphere, specifically amongst me, afarensis, an...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>AnthroSource Steering Committee dissents from the AAA and endorses FRPAA&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>On June 12th this year all hell broke loose when the American Anthropological Association (AAA) decided to oppose the FRPAA (Federal Research Public Access Act). It generated lots of fervor amongs the blogosphere, specifically amongst me, afarensis, an&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Les Faits de la Fiction &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Will AnthroSource go open source?</title>
		<link>http://savageminds.org/2006/01/13/is-digital-publishing-bad-business-for-the-aaa/comment-page-1/#comment-9886</link>
		<dc:creator>Les Faits de la Fiction &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Will AnthroSource go open source?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jun 2006 14:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Several organizations, including the American Anthropological Association, have already begun protesting the proposed legislation. Do they make a compelling case or not? Now, it seems pretty clear that publishing an academic journal is a losing proposition for an organization like AAA, but I&#8217;m not sure if that&#8217;s a strong enough argument. Granted, I think it&#8217;s a bit criminal that an important academic organization can&#8217;t even manage to break even, but scholarship should be for scholarship&#8217;s sake. No one goes into academia to get rich; presumably most people are there because they genuinely want to teach and research. Whether one makes a profit off that research is important to the extent that everyone needs to put dinner on the table and keep a roof over their heads, but it&#8217;s hardly the guiding factor in the life of a busy academic. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Several organizations, including the American Anthropological Association, have already begun protesting the proposed legislation. Do they make a compelling case or not? Now, it seems pretty clear that publishing an academic journal is a losing proposition for an organization like AAA, but I&#8217;m not sure if that&#8217;s a strong enough argument. Granted, I think it&#8217;s a bit criminal that an important academic organization can&#8217;t even manage to break even, but scholarship should be for scholarship&#8217;s sake. No one goes into academia to get rich; presumably most people are there because they genuinely want to teach and research. Whether one makes a profit off that research is important to the extent that everyone needs to put dinner on the table and keep a roof over their heads, but it&#8217;s hardly the guiding factor in the life of a busy academic. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Anthropology.net</title>
		<link>http://savageminds.org/2006/01/13/is-digital-publishing-bad-business-for-the-aaa/comment-page-1/#comment-9844</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthropology.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jun 2006 21:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The American Anthropological Association&#039;s ignorant opposition of Open Access...&lt;/strong&gt;

In the not so distant past, there was a little blurb on the American Anthropological Association (AAA) website of a new bill proposal, in the United States, that would significantly cut government funding to the sciences, with specific foci to the soci...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>The American Anthropological Association&#8217;s ignorant opposition of Open Access&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>In the not so distant past, there was a little blurb on the American Anthropological Association (AAA) website of a new bill proposal, in the United States, that would significantly cut government funding to the sciences, with specific foci to the soci&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Savage Minds: Notes and Queries in Anthropology — A Group Blog &#187; Should the AAA stop printing paper journals?</title>
		<link>http://savageminds.org/2006/01/13/is-digital-publishing-bad-business-for-the-aaa/comment-page-1/#comment-5338</link>
		<dc:creator>Savage Minds: Notes and Queries in Anthropology — A Group Blog &#187; Should the AAA stop printing paper journals?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Apr 2006 23:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A couple of months back I wrote a post which examined the tensions between AnthroSource and the sections of the American Anthropological Association. The sections restrict content in order to force subscription&#8212;the only way you get to read their sectional journal is to join the section. But now AnthroSource provides an electronic copy of all sectional journals online for anyone who is a member of the AAA (and AAA, of course, restricts content in order to force subscription&#8212;you don&#8217;t get access to AnthroSource unless you&#8217;re a member of the AAA. It&#8217;s all very meta). But note the principle that section members assume their members are acting on: given the choice between paying US$75 for a paper version and section membership versus paying just for AAA membership and a login to AAA, most people will take the cheaper digital texts. Given the fact that the sections believe (or fear!) that section members prefer cheap digital content to expensive analog content, we might want to ask the question: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] A couple of months back I wrote a post which examined the tensions between AnthroSource and the sections of the American Anthropological Association. The sections restrict content in order to force subscription&#8212;the only way you get to read their sectional journal is to join the section. But now AnthroSource provides an electronic copy of all sectional journals online for anyone who is a member of the AAA (and AAA, of course, restricts content in order to force subscription&#8212;you don&#8217;t get access to AnthroSource unless you&#8217;re a member of the AAA. It&#8217;s all very meta). But note the principle that section members assume their members are acting on: given the choice between paying US$75 for a paper version and section membership versus paying just for AAA membership and a login to AAA, most people will take the cheaper digital texts. Given the fact that the sections believe (or fear!) that section members prefer cheap digital content to expensive analog content, we might want to ask the question: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Motes &#38; Theories on Anthropology</title>
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		<dc:creator>Motes &#38; Theories on Anthropology</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2006 21:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;AAA: sections &amp; publications&lt;/strong&gt;

This is Dan Segal, posting as a guest here on John Norvell&#039;s blog. This is a response to the discussion of section finances and AAA publishing on Savage Minds: I will try to briefly convey my understanding of the finances of AAA journals and AAA secti...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>AAA: sections &#38; publications</strong></p>
<p>This is Dan Segal, posting as a guest here on John Norvell&#8217;s blog. This is a response to the discussion of section finances and AAA publishing on Savage Minds: I will try to briefly convey my understanding of the finances of AAA journals and AAA secti&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Patricia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patricia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2006 22:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The entire system of scholarly journal publishing is undergoing vast changes. AnthroSource is but one society within this system. I&#039;ve commented before about these changes and have a pretty good idea of whats going on since I&#039;m involved with scholarly publishing myself.

Electronic products aren&#039;t free-as Rex&#039;s post points out. Some of the &quot;hidden&quot; costs can be in areas few think of--such as the electronic &#039;backbone&#039; keeping the electronic versions online. There&#039;s webhosting, webspace rental, CPU servers, IT maintenance, uploading, upgrades, and linking. Electronic subscriber upgrade, maintenance, and upkeep also figures in. Computer backup systems are needed too, and depending on how much is backed up, it can be costly.

Software cost must also be figured in. I&#039;m not sure if AnthroSource uses Microsoft Content Server, or another scheme, but network software systems to organize and maintain the data costs money. Right now AnthroSource uses PDFs for electronic document delivery, and depending on the vendor providing electronic files, Adobe Acrobat Distiller might also be required to create PDFs. 

These software and hardware costs have nothing to do with paper-version fulfillment. I&#039;m not sure how much detail UCP provides to the Anthrosource committee, but it might be useful to ask about the hardware, software, and IT support UCP is providing to maintain it.

Although the social sciences are relatively new to online journal publishing, the &#039;hard&#039; sciences and medical communities have been involved since the mid-to-late 1990s. PLoS [Public Library of Science] publishes several OA journals, and their OA model includes charging article authors fees to publish, thus recouping some of the extra expense involved. There are many other societies doing OA publishing that partner with publishers such as Blackwell Science, utilizing online delivery pathways the publisher already has available.

Perhaps the AnthroSource committee could look into how the biological sciences and medicine are adjusting to online publishing, their economic models, and vendors/resources, so the committee could assess options for the future of AnthroSource and its society journals. By reviewing other models, at least the committee will have a better understanding of how to deal with some of the issues mentioned in Rex&#039;s posting. 

Being in the scholarly publishing industry myself I would say there are many alternatives and options available to the AAA&#039;s publishing future, however the one thing that will not stop is the onward push to online journal publication, OA or private, this I think will continue for a long time to come. I think the idea of AnthroSource was a good one, now the AAA and its society&#039;s need to think about restructuring how they do things to remain profitable in the new scholarly publishing economy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The entire system of scholarly journal publishing is undergoing vast changes. AnthroSource is but one society within this system. I&#8217;ve commented before about these changes and have a pretty good idea of whats going on since I&#8217;m involved with scholarly publishing myself.</p>
<p>Electronic products aren&#8217;t free-as Rex&#8217;s post points out. Some of the &#8220;hidden&#8221; costs can be in areas few think of&#8211;such as the electronic &#8216;backbone&#8217; keeping the electronic versions online. There&#8217;s webhosting, webspace rental, CPU servers, IT maintenance, uploading, upgrades, and linking. Electronic subscriber upgrade, maintenance, and upkeep also figures in. Computer backup systems are needed too, and depending on how much is backed up, it can be costly.</p>
<p>Software cost must also be figured in. I&#8217;m not sure if AnthroSource uses Microsoft Content Server, or another scheme, but network software systems to organize and maintain the data costs money. Right now AnthroSource uses PDFs for electronic document delivery, and depending on the vendor providing electronic files, Adobe Acrobat Distiller might also be required to create PDFs. </p>
<p>These software and hardware costs have nothing to do with paper-version fulfillment. I&#8217;m not sure how much detail UCP provides to the Anthrosource committee, but it might be useful to ask about the hardware, software, and IT support UCP is providing to maintain it.</p>
<p>Although the social sciences are relatively new to online journal publishing, the &#8216;hard&#8217; sciences and medical communities have been involved since the mid-to-late 1990s. PLoS [Public Library of Science] publishes several OA journals, and their OA model includes charging article authors fees to publish, thus recouping some of the extra expense involved. There are many other societies doing OA publishing that partner with publishers such as Blackwell Science, utilizing online delivery pathways the publisher already has available.</p>
<p>Perhaps the AnthroSource committee could look into how the biological sciences and medicine are adjusting to online publishing, their economic models, and vendors/resources, so the committee could assess options for the future of AnthroSource and its society journals. By reviewing other models, at least the committee will have a better understanding of how to deal with some of the issues mentioned in Rex&#8217;s posting. </p>
<p>Being in the scholarly publishing industry myself I would say there are many alternatives and options available to the AAA&#8217;s publishing future, however the one thing that will not stop is the onward push to online journal publication, OA or private, this I think will continue for a long time to come. I think the idea of AnthroSource was a good one, now the AAA and its society&#8217;s need to think about restructuring how they do things to remain profitable in the new scholarly publishing economy.</p>
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		<title>By: Rex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2006 05:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I took it for granted in writing this that everyone knew that AnthroSource is/will be a complete rethinking of the way that publishing and researching anthropology will occur. So it is true that the money spent on AnthroSource get us more than just the latest issue of every journal. The problem is that regardless of whatever additional features there are we are still spending the money and we do not (afaik) have a business model for it.

Susie&#039;s article is helpful, but what we really need (as I said in the post) is the information from the reports she cites -- the Mellon assessment, etc. If anyone would like to guest blog to clarify this, or Chris if you have good ideas (other than contacting Susie), that would be great.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I took it for granted in writing this that everyone knew that AnthroSource is/will be a complete rethinking of the way that publishing and researching anthropology will occur. So it is true that the money spent on AnthroSource get us more than just the latest issue of every journal. The problem is that regardless of whatever additional features there are we are still spending the money and we do not (afaik) have a business model for it.</p>
<p>Susie&#8217;s article is helpful, but what we really need (as I said in the post) is the information from the reports she cites &#8212; the Mellon assessment, etc. If anyone would like to guest blog to clarify this, or Chris if you have good ideas (other than contacting Susie), that would be great.</p>
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		<title>By: ckelty</title>
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		<dc:creator>ckelty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2006 04:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Susan Skomal has written a good &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.arl.org/newsltr/242/scholsociety.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;article&lt;/a&gt; about the process of creating Anthrosource.  One thing that might not be clear from what Alex has written, or what ANtrhosource has published, is that Anthrosource is not just a digitization of past publications and a repository of new ones, it is a complete reorg of the way sections publish new work.  Now, it all goes through UC Press, as opposed to being managed by each section. 

In some ways this is a big step forward, since it simplifies all AAA publication, but in other ways, it is a terrifying change, because it means that the sections do not get to rely on revenue from subscription in the same way as previously--but they still have to pay for the same stuff, viz. labor to produce the journal (when it is paid for).  

The costs that are covered in the recent switch to Anthrosource probably represent a significant one-time charge--but there is probably also a contract with UC Press that specifies a certain amount that AAA will pay regardless of revenues from journals, just for UC Press to manage ANthrosource.  OPen source software would probably mitigate this only in small part, since the charge is probably mostly labor and overhead to maintain it.  

Surely there is someone who knows all this... Can we ask Susan to guest blog?  or maybe someone else from Anthrosource/UC Press?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susan Skomal has written a good <a href="http://www.arl.org/newsltr/242/scholsociety.html" rel="nofollow">article</a> about the process of creating Anthrosource.  One thing that might not be clear from what Alex has written, or what ANtrhosource has published, is that Anthrosource is not just a digitization of past publications and a repository of new ones, it is a complete reorg of the way sections publish new work.  Now, it all goes through UC Press, as opposed to being managed by each section. </p>
<p>In some ways this is a big step forward, since it simplifies all AAA publication, but in other ways, it is a terrifying change, because it means that the sections do not get to rely on revenue from subscription in the same way as previously&#8211;but they still have to pay for the same stuff, viz. labor to produce the journal (when it is paid for).  </p>
<p>The costs that are covered in the recent switch to Anthrosource probably represent a significant one-time charge&#8211;but there is probably also a contract with UC Press that specifies a certain amount that AAA will pay regardless of revenues from journals, just for UC Press to manage ANthrosource.  OPen source software would probably mitigate this only in small part, since the charge is probably mostly labor and overhead to maintain it.  </p>
<p>Surely there is someone who knows all this&#8230; Can we ask Susan to guest blog?  or maybe someone else from Anthrosource/UC Press?</p>
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