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		<title>By: leanne</title>
		<link>http://savageminds.org/2005/06/20/commodifying-girls-harajuku-style/comment-page-1/#comment-42984</link>
		<dc:creator>leanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Dec 2006 15:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i am doing a project on harajuku girls at college and i am so sick of people telling me that harajuku girls is not a fashion/trend they are saying that it is just a street has anyone got any suggestions so that i could try and change there minds?????????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i am doing a project on harajuku girls at college and i am so sick of people telling me that harajuku girls is not a fashion/trend they are saying that it is just a street has anyone got any suggestions so that i could try and change there minds?????????</p>
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		<title>By: Nomadic Thoughts</title>
		<link>http://savageminds.org/2005/06/20/commodifying-girls-harajuku-style/comment-page-1/#comment-517</link>
		<dc:creator>Nomadic Thoughts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2005 13:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Week in Review 1(3)&lt;/strong&gt;

Not much time for commentary (see previous post), but here are some good links: From the blogs: Tak at Savage Minds discusses the implications of racial stereotyping in regards to Gwen Stefani&#039;s latest image, which includes Harajuku girls. John Hawks...</description>
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<p>Not much time for commentary (see previous post), but here are some good links: From the blogs: Tak at Savage Minds discusses the implications of racial stereotyping in regards to Gwen Stefani&#8217;s latest image, which includes Harajuku girls. John Hawks&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Itsalljustaride</title>
		<link>http://savageminds.org/2005/06/20/commodifying-girls-harajuku-style/comment-page-1/#comment-516</link>
		<dc:creator>Itsalljustaride</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2005 12:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;He also points out that Harajuku fashion in large part moves to the dictates of glossy fashion magazines&quot;&gt;

I&#039;ve actually heard the opposite. Which makes sense to me since most of Japan&#039;s economy is based on a &quot;just-in-time&quot; strategy where the aim is to anticipate changes in a very fickle market such as Japan&#039;s, where changes in the market don&#039;t happen from the top-down, but from the bottom-up. As far as the rest goes I agree with what he says. Its not really about individualism so much as it is about simply making a little excitement for yourself, since most of these kids come from outside of the hustle and bustle of Tokyo, to escape the drudgery of the countryside. The girls who do come from inside Tokyo often act as &quot;ins&quot; for those who wish to plug in to the social circles at Harajuku.

Just like Stephani I think many people overestimate the effect that Harajuku has on Japan. It&#039;s a costume ball, more or less, and girls will make costumes and pose with friends or for photographers on one Sunday, and the next Sunday they&#039;ll probably show up in a different costume and do it all over again.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote cite="He also points out that Harajuku fashion in large part moves to the dictates of glossy fashion magazines">
<p>I&#8217;ve actually heard the opposite. Which makes sense to me since most of Japan&#8217;s economy is based on a &#8220;just-in-time&#8221; strategy where the aim is to anticipate changes in a very fickle market such as Japan&#8217;s, where changes in the market don&#8217;t happen from the top-down, but from the bottom-up. As far as the rest goes I agree with what he says. Its not really about individualism so much as it is about simply making a little excitement for yourself, since most of these kids come from outside of the hustle and bustle of Tokyo, to escape the drudgery of the countryside. The girls who do come from inside Tokyo often act as &#8220;ins&#8221; for those who wish to plug in to the social circles at Harajuku.</p>
<p>Just like Stephani I think many people overestimate the effect that Harajuku has on Japan. It&#8217;s a costume ball, more or less, and girls will make costumes and pose with friends or for photographers on one Sunday, and the next Sunday they&#8217;ll probably show up in a different costume and do it all over again.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Max</title>
		<link>http://savageminds.org/2005/06/20/commodifying-girls-harajuku-style/comment-page-1/#comment-500</link>
		<dc:creator>Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jun 2005 22:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For some politically and factually informed writing about youth-oriented marketing in Tokyo, and mass culture in Japan in general, I&#039;d recommend this blog, at http://www.neomarxisme.com (apologies, I don&#039;t know html). He also points out that Harajuku fashion in large part moves to the dictates of glossy fashion magazines and has little to do with &#039;subculture&#039;, in the way Dick Hebdige (or anyone else) uses the term.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For some politically and factually informed writing about youth-oriented marketing in Tokyo, and mass culture in Japan in general, I&#8217;d recommend this blog, at <a href="http://www.neomarxisme.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.neomarxisme.com</a> (apologies, I don&#8217;t know html). He also points out that Harajuku fashion in large part moves to the dictates of glossy fashion magazines and has little to do with &#8217;subculture&#8217;, in the way Dick Hebdige (or anyone else) uses the term.</p>
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		<title>By: strongthomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>strongthomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2005 17:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a little skeptical as to whether *anyone* in the U.S. is really reading &quot;Japan&quot; from Gwen Stefani, at least outside the pages of a few publications.    

A few other comments:
--Stefani is continuing a pop-orientalism that goes back at least to Janet Jackson (&quot;If&quot; video) and Madonna (&quot;Nothing Really Matters&quot;... &quot;Rain&quot;... )
--Is *Stefani* doing any of this or is it really just an *army of stylists* at work?  (I think the latter actually.)
--I love the contrast drawn above between the ardent moralism of American attitudes toward cultural exchange (&#039;You can&#039;t re-appropriate that (e.g. hip-hop, voguing, new age spiritualism)&#039; it *belongs* to us!) versus a world in which people freely exchange styles, ideas, dances, practices, and other cultural stuff because it inspires them, because they think it&#039;s *cool*, a mode of cultural appreciation that has been popular even outside capitalist consumer culture for epochs (see, e.g., almost all the ethnography of Melanesia...).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a little skeptical as to whether *anyone* in the U.S. is really reading &#8220;Japan&#8221; from Gwen Stefani, at least outside the pages of a few publications.    </p>
<p>A few other comments:<br />
&#8211;Stefani is continuing a pop-orientalism that goes back at least to Janet Jackson (&#8220;If&#8221; video) and Madonna (&#8220;Nothing Really Matters&#8221;&#8230; &#8220;Rain&#8221;&#8230; )<br />
&#8211;Is *Stefani* doing any of this or is it really just an *army of stylists* at work?  (I think the latter actually.)<br />
&#8211;I love the contrast drawn above between the ardent moralism of American attitudes toward cultural exchange (&#8216;You can&#8217;t re-appropriate that (e.g. hip-hop, voguing, new age spiritualism)&#8217; it *belongs* to us!) versus a world in which people freely exchange styles, ideas, dances, practices, and other cultural stuff because it inspires them, because they think it&#8217;s *cool*, a mode of cultural appreciation that has been popular even outside capitalist consumer culture for epochs (see, e.g., almost all the ethnography of Melanesia&#8230;).</p>
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		<title>By: Itsalljustaride</title>
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		<dc:creator>Itsalljustaride</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2005 03:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would agree with you Ozma, with the exception that Harajuku is only a small facet of &quot;contemporary urban Japanese girl culture&quot; and young teens in America have this bad tendancy to latch onto symbols like Stefani&#039;s and assume that it represents the norm in Japan, when Harajuku is actually the anti-norm. I know, because I did it when I was a teen watching anime all the time. I always thought anime was this great representation of Japan, but then you start to realize that that position is as silly as saying &quot;Friends&quot; or &quot;Sex in the City&quot; is a good representation of America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would agree with you Ozma, with the exception that Harajuku is only a small facet of &#8220;contemporary urban Japanese girl culture&#8221; and young teens in America have this bad tendancy to latch onto symbols like Stefani&#8217;s and assume that it represents the norm in Japan, when Harajuku is actually the anti-norm. I know, because I did it when I was a teen watching anime all the time. I always thought anime was this great representation of Japan, but then you start to realize that that position is as silly as saying &#8220;Friends&#8221; or &#8220;Sex in the City&#8221; is a good representation of America.</p>
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		<title>By: Ozma</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ozma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2005 02:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Itsalljustaride:  Punch her in the face!  Yipes!

Tak -- I totally am sympathetic to what you are saying, but at the same time I wonder how much of the audience for Stefani&#039;s music even gets that she&#039;s actually ripping off a specific cultural anything.  Her whole look and style is sort of a mishmash of elements (Marilyn Monroe!  Ska!  Harajuku!) but where these things come from or what they might represent are probably pretty fuzzy around the edges for a lot of her public -- I think she gets it, and smart commentators in their 30s (or 20s, wherever you are) get it, in a different way than the kids at home get it.  they probably think &quot;sexy Asian chick&quot; (has its own problems, of course) rather than &quot;hmm, I never knew *that&#039;s* what contemporary urban Japanese girl culture looked like!  golly!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Itsalljustaride:  Punch her in the face!  Yipes!</p>
<p>Tak &#8212; I totally am sympathetic to what you are saying, but at the same time I wonder how much of the audience for Stefani&#8217;s music even gets that she&#8217;s actually ripping off a specific cultural anything.  Her whole look and style is sort of a mishmash of elements (Marilyn Monroe!  Ska!  Harajuku!) but where these things come from or what they might represent are probably pretty fuzzy around the edges for a lot of her public &#8212; I think she gets it, and smart commentators in their 30s (or 20s, wherever you are) get it, in a different way than the kids at home get it.  they probably think &#8220;sexy Asian chick&#8221; (has its own problems, of course) rather than &#8220;hmm, I never knew *that&#8217;s* what contemporary urban Japanese girl culture looked like!  golly!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Itsalljustaride</title>
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		<dc:creator>Itsalljustaride</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2005 02:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m in Tokyo right now, and I can keep thinking to myself how much Stefani blows Harajuku way out of proportion. Her vision of Harajuku is totally not reality. That being said she&#039;s really only doing what the Japanese have been doing for a decade now. The Japanese have this tendancy to take a cultural prototype, strip it of all the cultural and historical significance, and wear the shell as a cool new fashion. It sounds horrible to us, but its really not as bad as it comes across. They dont care about actually becoming African, American, German, French, etc., they just like the look. It only gets to us because we&#039;re the ones being &quot;ripped off&quot;. I&#039;ve had an African American girl in my class who got so annoyed by the superficial nature of the popular Japanese expression of hip-hop. She says the style and the ethos are inseparable, but shes wrong. They are separable, and the Japanese separated them, because they dont have the cultural baggage that we do with regard to civil rights and whatnot.

Anyway, the point is this, what Stefani has done with her cultural zoo of Harajuku girls doesnt fly in America because we see this kinf of commodofication of a cultural persona as a rascist/sexist thing. I havn&#039;t got a chance to talk to many Japanese people about how they view Stefani&#039;s Harajuku fetish, but my hunch is that they see nothing wrong with it, because they do it all the time themselves. That doesnt let Stefani off teh hook in the US though, and I&#039;d really like to punch her in the face if anyone could get me close enough :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in Tokyo right now, and I can keep thinking to myself how much Stefani blows Harajuku way out of proportion. Her vision of Harajuku is totally not reality. That being said she&#8217;s really only doing what the Japanese have been doing for a decade now. The Japanese have this tendancy to take a cultural prototype, strip it of all the cultural and historical significance, and wear the shell as a cool new fashion. It sounds horrible to us, but its really not as bad as it comes across. They dont care about actually becoming African, American, German, French, etc., they just like the look. It only gets to us because we&#8217;re the ones being &#8220;ripped off&#8221;. I&#8217;ve had an African American girl in my class who got so annoyed by the superficial nature of the popular Japanese expression of hip-hop. She says the style and the ethos are inseparable, but shes wrong. They are separable, and the Japanese separated them, because they dont have the cultural baggage that we do with regard to civil rights and whatnot.</p>
<p>Anyway, the point is this, what Stefani has done with her cultural zoo of Harajuku girls doesnt fly in America because we see this kinf of commodofication of a cultural persona as a rascist/sexist thing. I havn&#8217;t got a chance to talk to many Japanese people about how they view Stefani&#8217;s Harajuku fetish, but my hunch is that they see nothing wrong with it, because they do it all the time themselves. That doesnt let Stefani off teh hook in the US though, and I&#8217;d really like to punch her in the face if anyone could get me close enough :)</p>
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